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Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
eduardo (IP Logged)
01 June, 2012 20:36
Ivan Gazidis is doing a Q&A with AST on Wednesday, there will be 300 AST members at the Q&A event at the Emirates.
Reports suggest that the two main points of possible contention will be over the Board's stance towards Usmanov and Wenger's transfer plans this summer.

Padre are you going to the event



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2012 20:38 by eduardo.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
eduardo (IP Logged)
01 June, 2012 20:57
Alisher Usmanov not afraid to splash the cash: just spent $100m on new boat, after new $350m jet



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
flynchstone (IP Logged)
01 June, 2012 21:03
Holy fu(k

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
eduardo (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 00:59
the main topics at the Q&A are


•The club’s footballing expectations for this coming season, 2012/2013, and whether qualifying for the Champions League is the extent of the club’s ambitions

• The new Elite Player Performance Plans being introduced and what this will mean for youth development at Arsenal

• The future of the Arsenal Fanshare scheme and club support to promote continued plurality in the ownership through supporter shareholders

• What progress Ivan Gazidis feels has been made in his first three years at the club and an update on the club’s five year strategic plan

•What lessons have been learned from last summer’s transfer window to make sure things go more smoothly and successfully this year, and the position regarding Robin van Persie

•How the club will drive commercial income aggressively in the short term given the long-term tie-ins on stadium naming, kit rights and shirt sponsorship and the need for more tertiary and overseas deals

•The club’s view of Financial Fair Play regulations and what plans we have should they have little impact

•Given that Arsenal now has two billionaire investors owning over 96% of the club, is there a case for them investing funds to put us on a competitive footing before FFP starts to bite?

•Arsène Wenger’s statement that he does not intend to do much business in the transfer market this summer and a feeling from many AST members that the team needs further strengthening. Can the Board reassure supporters that there are funds to invest?

•The club’s wage structure and whether it is hindering Arsenal’s chances of success by not being spent efficiently

•How many more shares Red & White holdings need to obtain before they have access to the full accounts and why won’t the Arsenal Board at the very least engage in dialogue with Mr Usmanov and Red and White Holdings?


Read more: [www.arsenalinsider.com]



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
eduardo (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 01:02
as for Usmanov, I'm not sure why anyone thinks he really wants to takeover Arsenal, any guy who is worth £12Bn, and can splash around £300M on a boat and a plane surely if he really wanted to buy Arsenal, could put forward an offer for AFC that Stan could not and would not refuse



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 01:37
Eduardo get serious - one the main defences of the Board for selling to Stan Kroenke one you have used in the past is that they could have sold for more to Mr. Usmanov and chose not to for the good of the Club.

So which is it the Board chose to sell to Stan Kroenke solely to sell for the big payday, or Mr. Usmanov is interested in taking over?

And the is no real right answer for those of you who make defending the Board's honour and virtue your personal duty, because if he wasn't interested in taking over there was no need to sell to anyone else to protect the club. They simply wanted to for the money and whether it was in the Cklub's best interests was irrelevant.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
HappyGööner (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 04:32
This issue has been discussed so many times in the past that is becoming a cliche. As I pointed out before, there was and still is a certain amount of animosity towards Usmanov by the Board, gooners on this and other forums and also many blogs. Many pointed out his stint in a Russian labor camp, some stating erroneous ideas that he made his fortune from petroleum stolen from the Russian people despite that fact that most of his money did not come from oil but from mining and lumber.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
weedz (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 04:50
Q- Ivan, would the board/club accept a `no strings attached` cash hand-out from Alisher Usmanov, to make our squad stronger?

A - Yes would have to be the answer, yes?

Q - Alisher, if, as you say, you`re a Gooner, why not invest in a little pleasure and put one up your mate, Roman and the Arabs? Throw a couple or three 100m at Wenger and say `Show us what you got.`

I`ll wait for the responses(Sm100)



Arsenal are going to win a BIG trophy this season.
Mrs Weedz told me

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
SandyB (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 06:29
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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans new
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 02 June, 2012 04:50

Q- Ivan, would the board/club accept a `no strings attached` cash hand-out from Alisher Usmanov, to make our squad stronger?

A - Yes would have to be the answer, yes?

Q - Alisher, if, as you say, you`re a Gooner, why not invest in a little pleasure and put one up your mate, Roman and the Arabs? Throw a couple or three 100m at Wenger and say `Show us what you got.`

I`ll wait for the responses

Answer by Alisher,
What's the guarantee Mr. Weedz that the pauper billionaire yank at the club wouldn't bank in the money by giving a 20 million bonus to the legendary manager and paying BBC 10 million to produce stories about the racism in Russia, blood money in oil and mining, so that I couldn't even say it to anyone that I gave away 100 million solely for the shake of Arsenal FC which they banked in for a holi cause. (Sm100)



SandyB, Supreme football knowledge consultant, dispute resolution specialist.
Arsenal Times Fantasy Premier League Title Winner 2013-14.
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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 08:05
Quote:
HappyGooner
This issue has been discussed so many times in the past that is becoming a cliche. As I pointed out before, there was and still is a certain amount of animosity towards Usmanov by the Board, gooners on this and other forums and also many blogs. Many pointed out his stint in a Russian labor camp, some stating erroneous ideas that he made his fortune from petroleum stolen from the Russian people despite that fact that most of his money did not come from oil but from mining and lumber.

So he's a bad guy....or a good guy....?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
flynchstone (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 08:29
I think they're fantastic questions, asking exactly what we're all thinking, I didn't think those kind of questions would get asked when Padre said they were being censored. They probably just want to stop people turning up and asking why are you(Gazidis)/Wenger/Kroenke such a €unt?

Regardless, we're not going to get the answers we want out of Ivan "the politician" Gazidis no matter how good the questions are.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 08:53
I think that's the whole point really Flynch - They use these Q&A s to pretend to answer the real questions after carefully decisiding just what questions they will answer then carefully preparing answers they feel will safely protect and promote their interests and appease many supporters as well.

I would be fascinated just wonce to see someone offer a follow-up question that challenges the carefully-rehearsed Arsenal message on any of their "candid" replies to the questions.

I think this is why we need to prod the media in any movement we try and form - the media will not simply accept the prepared form answers and soundbites from anyone if there is a story to be foound in questioning them. It's up to us though I suspect to create that story.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 10:12
Yes I will be there, and there is no guarantee which questions he will pick



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 16:30
See this is what happens - the groups get too close to the Club and are easily manipulated because being close to the Club and even being fed "exclusive" Club information is something any supporter for any club group would love to have happen.

But as I say when you are too close to the Club this is what haoppens inevitably you lose your independence just like a politician who is not a career politician then gets elected to office. Everything changes. The outsider becomes an insider and then all the perks and privilege that go with that status become as important if not moreso than the constituency you served so well before from the outside.

Any group we form simply cannot let this happen if we hope to achieve anything of note.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
weedz (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 21:18
Disagree Radio. We as fans have no option but to stay close to the board/club, whether we agree or disagree with them.

By setting up a opposition `camp`, we`re simply alienating ourselves from that which we love.

As fans we have no choice as to who owns our club, all we can do is voice our pleasure or displeasure and that voicing is best done from a close contact, rather than from a separated camp or opposition.



Arsenal are going to win a BIG trophy this season.
Mrs Weedz told me

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 21:47
Problem is RFA is we are dammed if we do and dammed if we dont. We have submitted hard hitting questions, so what do you suggest when they refuse to answer them? Start shouting? Well I dont mind doing that, but since a few fans laughed at Wenger during a Q and A he refused to answr questions.

The job of these groups is to get information and get directors to know what fans think. If fans want boycotts and demos fair enough but they will need campaign groups for that.

Maybe at some stage they will cut us out altogether like Glazer did with Man U fans, whether that is a benefit or not is a broader issue.
You are like a man at a cup final between Arsenal and chelsea should coming west ham.
West ham arent playing, these arent militant groups but believe me by the end of the evening they will know how we feel.



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 22:18
Agree fully Padre - I don't blame any supporter's group. As I say it's quite understandable really how once a group achieves that level of access that the AST and Aisa particularly have as well as Red Action it can get awkward especially when the Club is happy to use the position you are in against you on a manner by limiting what you can ask when you can ask it how you can ask it of and how you can ask it.

I think these groups do very good work. We just need another group willing to go further to build on the work groups like the AST have done that the Club cannot compromise in the same way as they have succeeded with the publicly recognized groups.

Like I say our group if we ever form it will exist to ask the Board the questions they don't want to answer and to push the medai to press them to answer those questions as well. At least that would be the goal starting out.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
02 June, 2012 23:48
Such a group wont meet in the castle but will lay siege to its gates. That will be when fans get really fed up



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 02:08
Well I think we can split the difference and meet outside the castle before the full-on revolt but that metaphor is well-taken.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
HappyGööner (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 05:12
There will be no revolt, no siege, no barbarians at the gate. The fans are powerless to force any sort of change from the board. We made our bed with Kronke and now we just have to lie on it. Sorry to say.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 07:38
Then don't complain about anything not the players not the manager - anything.Why should you even?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
De Times (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 09:11
Radio, i don't see your many questions yet.



"The problem was the stadium. They didn't have the money to buy the players. Arsene is a straight guy. He can see into the future. He didn't want to be penalised by financial fair play so he wanted to stay by the rules and not living by debt. This year everything has been paid. He's just paid 50 million euros for Mesut Ozil. In the future he will do it". - Nasri.
Arsene wenger has done an absolutely masterful job within the constraints he has... Every single year, he has outperformed our spending every single year he has been manager. It is extraordinary. -Gazides.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 10:05
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Then don't complain about anything not the players not the manager - anything.Why should you even?

most fans of any team complain about their players and managers because most fans believe they can do a better job somewhere within the club.

If you got your wish and the board moved on no one would appoint you board member as your views on player wages and spending is quite extreme with no limits.

Most reasonable folk think the board and manager are too shrewd and being shrewd has resulted in the players of low quality, not money making schemes for themselves.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 11:30
Thats right that stosh of money they made selling the club was purely an accident



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Flava (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 11:35
It's a waste of time asking Gazidis anything. You think a 'grilling' from 300 football fans with pre determined questions is goiing to phase him?

You'll be fed a load of BS. He's paid massive amounts of money to spin it. He's slipperier than an eel covered in baby oil.

And it's Arsene you bald fker, not Ah-sen.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
HappyGööner (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 11:45
Quote:
HappyGooner
There will be no revolt, no siege, no barbarians at the gate. The fans are powerless to force any sort of change from the board. We made our bed with Kronke and now we just have to lie on it. Sorry to say.
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Then don't complain about anything not the players not the manager - anything.Why should you even?

Yea, like all your complaining, moaning, b!tching has really caused any sort of change at Arsenal.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 12:04
It happens, the crowd have got rid of a few managers in their time, when it cuts up rough Wenger will go



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will win trophy after trophy

Nothing will change to stop Arsenal's domination except the ticket prices which must go up so that Wenger can make even more marquee signings.

Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger are made for each other a glorious triumvirate heading for immortality.

Arsenal’s not a football club it is the one true religion Milton Palmer

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
HappyGööner (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 12:15
Padre, I'm not a Wenger apologist but he's really not the problem. Wenger is not the owner but the manager. He really can't make the kind of decisions we want, in terms of buying new players, without Kronke's or the board's OK.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 16:38
Quote:
weedz
Disagree Radio. We as fans have no option but to stay close to the board/club, whether we agree or disagree with them.
By setting up a opposition `camp`, we`re simply alienating ourselves from that which we love.

As fans we have no choice as to who owns our club, all we can do is voice our pleasure or displeasure and that voicing is best done from a close contact, rather than from a separated camp or opposition.

But we aren't separating ourselves from Arsenal Weedz only from the current process of the flow of information from the Club so clearly incomplete, inadequate, and of questionable credibility. Arsenal Football Club and the Arsenal Board are not one and the same. Questioning the Club and the Board is not ceasing to love Arsenal, or not loving the Club or the football team one bit less.

Indeed one could argue that turning on the players however you objectively rate their talent and performance, and similarly the manager and the contempt shown for the team in fact is loving Arsenal less than many have previously.
We are (or right now I am) not about loving Arsenal less but loving Arsenal more and standing up for something we love.

It is simply forcing the Board to answer more honestly about these issues either to us directly or to the media once we have engaged them in pursuing our concerns.This hoopefully will bring the changes that we largely agree to some extent are needed.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 16:54
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Quote:
HappyGooner
Yea, like all your complaining, moaning, b!tching has really caused any sort of change at Arsenal.

True to this point perhaps but there is one difference. That can change in my case.

It clearly can change if we put together a more sizable group efforts pressing the Club on these issues including your point below.. That’s more than what you are doing -or not doing - now can ever accomplish, period. And the fact that you see the issue here makes your lack of desire to stand up and say anything at all just very sad really.

Quote:
HappyGooner
Padre, I'm not a Wenger apologist but he's really not the problem. Wenger is not the owner but the manager. He really can't make the kind of decisions we want, in terms of buying new players, without Kronke's or the board's OK.

Very nicely said this point. It’s the heart of this whole issue really. But this realization on your part should make you want to stand up on behalf of the Club or at least lend your name if nothing else to an effort to seek positive change for Arsenal’s benefit on and even off the pitch

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 16:58
Quote:
karsene16
most fans of any team complain about their players and managers because most fans believe they can do a better job somewhere within the club.

Oh thank you for explaining that to me . I had no idea that's how fans or supporters think until just now reading this. Thanks ever so much, mate. I understand it all now...

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:06
Quote:
karsene16
If you got your wish and the board moved on no one would appoint you board member as your views on player wages and spending is quite extreme with no limits.

This is simply a lie without any factual basis in it and nothing more Karsene and you in fact know it.
It is simply your attempt to change the argument to thee argument you want because you cannot win the argument on the actual facts and winning the argument and defending the Board is more important to you than any harm they might cause Arsenal Football Club because you are inacapable of serparating Arsenal and the Board and thus your uncomprimising loyalty to them that leads you to lie about anyone else who doesn't share that loyalty.

You are more of a liar than a Gooner in my eyes. Not saying you don't love Arsenal but apparently you love lying about people who don't shares your views more as far as I can see on here.

Oh and we can debate what I have actually said about spending any time you want.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:14
Quote:
karsene16
Most reasonable folk think the board and manager are too shrewd and being shrewd has resulted in the players of low quality, not money making schemes for themselves.

So are you saying most reasonable folk are happy to lie about what people who don't share their have actually said?

You aren't intellectually qualified to judge who is reasonable or unreasonable frankly because you aren't reasonable. And your own words and proclivity to deliberately lie about my words and views prove your lack of reasonability or your ability to intellectually define reasoned people or behavior.

And what the hell is your point there. There were being too shrewd. Too shrewd? What? How so then?

But again it all comes back to making 400 million pounds being too shrewd all being pure coincidence or lucky accident.

Of course as your own words state if the Board say that or just let you think it thats "good enough" for you. Blind faith is as far from reasoned judgment as it gets and you frankly are a blind faither. And unlike your lies about what I have actually said your actual words prove you are what I have said here.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:15
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Quote:
karsene16
most fans of any team complain about their players and managers because most fans believe they can do a better job somewhere within the club.

Oh thank you for explaining that to me . I had no idea that's how fans or supporters think until just now reading this. Thanks ever so much, mate. I understand it all now...

You're welcome,

also people don't give a sh*t about the flats money, we just want the transfer money gained spent.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:25
Most people don't give a s.hit about the money the Club made from the flats - they just want it spent to improve the team. Oh dearie. Isn't wanting it spent to improve the team giving a s.hit about the money then?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:33
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Most people don't give a s.hit about the money the Club made from the flats - they just want it spent to improve the team. Oh dearie. Isn't wanting it spent to improve the team giving a s.hit about the money then?

you didn't understand what I wrote.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 17:41
No I think I did. My point was that they give @#$%& about that money made by the Board precisely because the Board is not letting the money made by the Club that made them their money be spent now for the Club.

The Club has done a good job of muddying the waters here by talking about the cost of the new stadium exopect that ins't really why we cut back from 2005-2008, it was the pusuit of redeveloping Highbury and as the supporters come to see this as is already beginning to happen they will give even more of a s.hit about the money the Board made while limiting the oney the Club could spend.

By the way don't think I haven't noticed you ducked answering my posts about your lack of honesty and reasoning. I have noticed.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 19:23
f*ck me, lets just end that nonsense and say I lack honesty and reasoning right now.

pulling me up on fiction and saying this is fiction is a smart move by you mate, this statement will get me nailed to a cross on here.

By my understanding the board could do what they want because they run/own/are in charge of the club.

It's like owning a computer game and charging people to play and when the new version comes out buying a new one and renting out the old one, and all those who played the old version with you say that was ours we loved it and we played it everyday so we're entitled to some money. The owner of the game will say, I owned the last one and I bought a new one, the price has raised and the gameplay will be similar to the old one or maybe worst in your opinion, If I give you anything it will be my choice, you're not entitled to a penny, if this one or the t.v breaks may have the money to fix it but for now we have a capable technician, I will only pay for new gear when I gained enough money from you lot.

What can you do?



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 19:44
You're so full of crap. Lie about me and instead of acknowledging that or retracting the false statement or even trying to prove it wasn't false (though that is impossible to do) you try to act like the victim. What a sorry person you are.

And now "it's their club and cnando what they want with it" except that contrdicts a whole series of staements on your part including trying to discredit my views by stating that were invalid without any documents to support them. And suggesting how Dan Fiszman sold only because of his deteriorating health and how the only other sellars sold only because they were forced out of the Board Room even though in fact Lady Baracewell-Smith and Dan Fiszman who reportedly expelled her from the Board quite clearly coordinated the final sale of their remaining holdings.

And then of course there is how Lady Nina passed up 20-30 million pounds so she could sell to the people who let Dan Fiszman humiliate her. Or even the perhaps sarcastic claim that my assertions amounted to slander of the Arsenal Board.

And now after you deliberately lie about me and lack the ability to prove otherwise or the courage to admit your conduct you try to say the Board can do whatever they want?

Seriously you completely lack any credibility about anything. And you're no victim for that. That is how you choose to conduct yourself with others. That you try to make people feel sorry for you is even more pathetic.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 20:07
Mate, YOU claimed 400mil was made from the flats profit.

then YOU claimed it was from shares.

Mate YOU are attacking the board that are in place saying they are MAKING profits

then you decided the people who have left the board are the ones who made all the profits.

YOU make up your mind and if we're talking about past questions that haven't been answered.

How much was the Highbury land worth if it was sold as just land?



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
flynchstone (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 20:43
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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 20:50
No Karsene I said that a healthy portion of the money made from selling shares - which by the way is the only money I have ever claimed the Board have made - never mind that I have never said they had no right to make any of that. It is known fact that nearly half the money that Dan Fiszman and Lady Nina Beracewell-Smith as well as Peter Hill-Wood made was money made based on the share price going up once the Highbury Square loan was paid off and it was established that a profit of app 120 million pounds was made.

The share price went from 6750 GBP in 2009 when the Club announced ir would have to renegotiate the Highbury Square loan to almost 10000 GBP after the loan was paid off six months ahead of that new schedule to 11750 GBP in 2011 when the sold to Stan Kroenke so the Redevelopment of Highbury made them anywhere from 4000 to 5000 GBP a share in additional profit which means 80 to 100 million between those who sold in 2011 so an overall increase the Board's profits of at least 20% and if you go back to 2005 a profit increase of about 100%.

Higbury which was supposed to be sold would have netted the club a profit in the area of 65-80 million GBP by most accounts. So the decision to reveloped Highbury resulted in an icreased profit of about 35-55 million GBP which is nothing to sneeze at but combine the short-term damage that project created financially with the fact that not one penny of the money the Club made from the project makes it clear the only real beneficiaries of that project where the Arsenal shareholders on the Arsenal Board.

As to the Board now versus the Board then another specious effort to muddy the waters. Clearly the Board now has members of the Board then including who benefitted fairly handsomely from pursuing a project which has only hurt Arsenal Football Club at this point.

You just cna't condemn the Board for simply being greedy and selfish and causing all of us great suffering to stasfy that greed.

They could have have made 100 million 200 million even 300 million maybe and not changed the biusiness model and still allowed us to have some joy and satisfaction too but didn't care obviously about that. Hell if they even temporarily set aside the self-sustaining business model they could have made 400 million and still not taken everything we supporters have to do so.

Everybody could have won except that the Board wanted even more for themselves . Nobody would have begrudged them making healthy profits but cheating us out of all that football really is to us just to make even more is shameful - and so is defending that.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
03 June, 2012 21:21
Did Dein sell his shares 2 years before?

Was Lady Nina's shares on sale 2 years before?

2009 that is when the share went up



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 01:30
No they went up in 2010. Of you want to say they began going up back to 2005 that would be an accuracy of sorts but look no further than the share price history at PlusMarketsGroup. The share price did imprve off that 6750 mark incrementally through 2009 to 2010 and 2011 but Stan Kroenke was buying the shares at times at over-the-odds figures. Of course he was aBoard member with access to the Club's financial records so he would know about when to buy and how much to risk as he would have the same information the Arsenal Board had.

BTW how about proving what you said I said is true or being an adult and admitting you spoke falsely and retracting the statement. Or are you jusyt a liar and a coward who is avoiding addressing that.

Note I bolded the 2009 because re-reading this it did not clearly convey my poiny which is that prices began to recover in 2009 but most of their movement was related than even to the impnding results of the Highbury Square project being completed on time something which Stan Kroenke as a Board member would have been well aware of.

As I say I will be happy to let you prove what you said is true, because you can't. But I wouild be happy to let you prove if you could because unlike you I do not need to lie to discredit soemone else's views nor would I resort to that. Apparently saying anything no matter how dishonest oin defense of what you want to believe is appropriate. That says much more about you than you should want people to know.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 02:04
I would like again to exercise my right to use this quote from robot since I believe it pertains to this thread


BY ROBOT
"The answer is who knows what has happened to this money right now"




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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 08:46
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No they went up in 2010. Of you want to say they began going up back to 2005 that would be an accuracy of sorts but look no further than the share price history at PlusMarketsGroup. The share price did imprve off that 6750 mark incrementally through 2009 to 2010 and 2011 but Stan Kroenke was buying the shares at times at over-the-odds figures. Of course he was aBoard member with access to the Club's financial records so he would know about when to buy and how much to risk as he would have the same information the Arsenal Board had.
BTW how about proving what you said I said is true or being an adult and admitting you spoke falsely and retracting the statement. Or are you jusyt a liar and a coward who is avoiding addressing that.

Note I bolded the 2009 because re-reading this it did not clearly convey my poiny which is that prices began to recover in 2009 but most of their movement was related than even to the impnding results of the Highbury Square project being completed on time something which Stan Kroenke as a Board member would have been well aware of.

As I say I will be happy to let you prove what you said is true, because you can't. But I wouild be happy to let you prove if you could because unlike you I do not need to lie to discredit soemone else's views nor would I resort to that. Apparently saying anything no matter how dishonest oin defense of what you want to believe is appropriate. That says much more about you than you should want people to know.

I have no info at all mate, everything I've learnt about the board is recent, I'm googling sh*t while in conversation with you. So yes I am a liar and a coward because I don't know hardly anything but with the facts obtained, you my friend have no solid arguments.

My question was why did Dein sell up shares in 2007 and Lady Nina want to sell up share in 2007 when they knew the price of shares would go up in 2010? As you say they are the main thieves.

Personally it seems you are treating everything as one, the stadium move, the people who run the club, the poor quality players, poor results, when it seems to be as a lot of dilemmas creating other dilemmas.

I believe if Fiszman was still alive he would own all his shares and carry on the original plan which was to not give kroenke any more.

I believe the Board didn't like Nina's views on the direction of the club and it was the reason she was made a non-director in 2005 so she decided to sell up as she was no longer involved.

I believe David Dein didn't want transfer money spent on a grand stadium but an efficient stadium and wanted a sugar daddy takeover/merge so he sold his shares to a billionaire Usmanov. Also got himself a 9 to 5 in the process.

These 3 are the people who made the 400mil you talk so much about, so why even mention kroenke? he bought the shares at their most highest.

Another thing, they could have sold Highbury and not given the club a penny also and you would still be here asking where has the money gone because the club is run in such a way that it's hard to tell what is going on.

I have proven it is almost a target of the club to spend an average of no more than 16.5 million a season, regardless of how much is made by the club in transfers, and that has gone on for 15years.

Wenger said she could have written a book on this summers transfer market, we all know why, for the first time in his years as manager he lost control and had to spend 53mil, smashing the average spend in a season, bringing up to 22mil since moving. At the same time making claims that "everyone asks me to spend, so why shouldn't I keep Nasri a year more?".



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 16:00
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I have no info at all mate, everything I've learnt about the board is recent, I'm googling sh*t while in conversation with you. So yes I am a liar and a coward because I don't know hardly anything but with the facts obtained, you my friend have no solid arguments.

Yes you a re a liar and coward and are continuing to chose to be one. I would be too ashamed to engage in your sort of conduct – to make willfully false srtatements about someone than when confronted to avoid being a man and either prove your statements or have the courage to retract them.. You lack that soert of courage or integtity quite obviously.

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If you got your wish and the board moved on no one would appoint you board member as your views on player wages and spending is quite extreme with no limits.

Why can’t you eother prove that claim or admit it was wiullfully and meant solely to discredit the argum,ent I have made that we could invest more in the team than we have because I can post quote after quote from me contradicting this lie.

If you really believe strongly in your views why do you need to lie about anyone else’s views to strengthen in your own mind your own views credibility ? In fact all you have done except to the most inflexible types(like youraself) is discredit yourself and your views so much that you are either a liar, A WUM, or both. Take your pick though there isn’t much to choose from there, is there?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 16:18
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My question was why did Dein sell up shares in 2007 and Lady Nina want to sell up share in 2007 when they knew the price of shares would go up in 2010? As you say they are the main thieves.

Why Mr. Dein sold as he did when he did and to whom he did is a fascinating question. Indeed one of the points I raised back in 2007 is if David Dein was going behind the Board's back as many contend and the Board than suggested in bringing Stan Kroenke to the table why didn't he sell his shares to Stan Kroenke then and there?

And why when pushed out did he suddenly find a second billionaire to sell his holdings to which helped spike the share price at that time as well? Could it all be an elaborate pantomime diguised to push the share price up while slowly breaking resistance to selling the Club to anyone?

Remember that in 2007 no one wanted the Club sold at all to any buyer and certainly not a buyer with no real connection to the Club but by bring Alisher Usmanov to the table suddenly the ides of selling to Stan Kroenke saw any resistance to it crumble fairly quickly. Neat little coincidence all that, eh?

As for Lady Nina, it seems to me she was kept largely in the dark on any serious plans to sell up. Not necessarily about selling up but about the plans behind that. In 20007 I susopect she was ready to sell than and there and was assured(indeed reports at the time of her dismissal from the club suggest this as well)that if she waited that Dan Fiszman specifically assured her he could get her a better price. Indeed it is believed that her impatience in 2009 is why she was dismissed from the Board supposedly.

Though again my sense is that the Board knew there would be fierce resistance to them selling whenever they did if they simply announced they planned to sell the Club at the end of all this whenever they announced it. So by moving in piecemeal fashion as they did which made it all look like like seperate coincidental events without connection.

Very cleverly done really if you think about it. But while I would credit their cleverness I would still say our Board betrayed all of us inckluding it's fiercest and most faithful defenders above all.

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 16:36
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Personally it seems you are treating everything as one, the stadium move, the people who run the club, the poor quality players, poor results, when it seems to be as a lot of dilemmas creating other dilemmas.

This was close, very close. Oh-so-close to being genuieely accurate but for one crucial phrase. I think the Board's decisions to pursue maximizing the value of there share shares is what set the series of dilemnas creating other dilemnas in motion.

I don't think you had a bunch of dilemnas leading onto other dilemnas and coincidentally somehow the Club still became of one of the ten most valuable sports franchises on Earth as all that happened and the Board coincidentally made 400 million pounds in spite of themselves and their plans creating all these dilemnas.

Short of a very big lottery win no one makes that kind of monmey by sheer luck or accident of circumstance.

So yes I believe the decision to re-develop Highbury rather than sell it not only denied the Club a critical revenue stream but also undermined other available revenue streams as well(the front-loaded marketing deals were necessitated by the decision not to sell Highbury, as was the redistribution of funds from the Football budget to the debt service budget, and yes I believe that impact who we kept and sold and who we bought as well as impacted the composition of the team the first eleven and the squad of reserves behind them.

I believe the decision to sell the Club and to increase the share price as much as possible ahead of this was the first domino and the decision not to sell Highbury to help achieeve that goal was the second domino and all the things we have seem since 2005 are the successive doinoes tumbling or as you say dilemnas creating other dilemnas.

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 16:46
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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 17:13
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I believe if Fiszman was still alive he would own all his shares and carry on the original plan which was to not give kroenke any more.


Possible but at best uncertain. But as I have said before his choosing to sell in his circumstance would have been perfectly reasonable. But the fact is that he could have sold for less to another Board member perhaps - excpet no other Board member wanted to buy apparently and every other Board member ended up selling as well though none of then really had any reason to seel other than making lots of extra money. Which makes this claim meaningless.

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I believe the Board didn't like Nina's views on the direction of the club and it was the reason she was made a non-director in 2005 so she decided to sell up as she was no longer involved.


So again why would she take 30-30 million pounds less than she could have made personally to coordinate her sale with that of the man who drove her off the Board and humiliated her and her family publicly by doing so and to the man who stood by and let her be humiliated this way, especially given how eager you acknowledge she was to sell all the way back to 2007. Care to explain?

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I believe David Dein didn't want transfer money spent on a grand stadium but an efficient stadium and wanted a sugar daddy takeover/merge so he sold his shares to a billionaire Usmanov. Also got himself a 9 to 5 in the process.

Again why didn't david Dein sell to Stan Kroenke he was billionaire sugar daddy in theory as well. if they were acting in concert as reported and suggested by the Club's Chairman? And better still again based on the Chairman's public conclusions why did the Board not only work with Stan Kroenke but invite him to become a Director and then sell to his sort?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 17:28
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These 3 are the people who made the 400mil you talk so much about, so why even mention kroenke? he bought the shares at their most highest.


Because the greatest single sin the Board may have committed is to sell to someone who is nothing more than an investor and clearly has no genuine affection or affinity for Arsenal Football Club. Even you warpedblind faith loyalists who will say anything in defnce of the Board are more credible in that regard than Stan Kroenke.

And by doing that they have done far more long-term damage to the Club potentially than any short-term damage to the team.Which is a complete dereliction of their custodial Duty of Care to the Club and betrayal of the supporters who trusted them to honor that duty.

And all just to make even more money They could have made plenty of money and not done that at all. Just not enough to statisfy their need for more moeny apparently. I think that is textbook greed really.

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Another thing, they could have sold Highbury and not given the club a penny also and you would still be here asking where has the money gone because the club is run in such a way that it's hard to tell what is going on.


Indeed they could have. But even if they had elected to do that, the club's other revenue streams and cash flow would not have been as negatively impacted from 2005-2007, and thus the detrimental impact on the Club and Team would have been considerably less severe.

Again no one is condemning the Board making some money. They should have and deserved to. The question is they deserve to make that much the way they made it and they need to make that much and make it that way?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 17:52
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I have proven it is almost a target of the club to spend an average of no more than 16.5 million a season, regardless of how much is made by the club in transfers, and that has gone on for 15years.

LOL

If by proven you mean made a claim that is more credible than stating I have called for spending with "no limits" as you continue to duck proving or retracting than yes you have proven that.

of course than you have also proven that the Board's claims they we left Highbury and built the Emirates Stadium the Board continually made were lies and nothing more.

See how pretzel logic and verbal gymnastics work against you untimately?

Again the claim is intriguing and perhaps has some merit but doesn't prove anything at all you would want proven Kars.Nothing at all

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Wenger said she could have written a book on this summers transfer market, we all know why, for the first time in his years as manager he lost control and had to spend 53mil, smashing the average spend in a season, bringing up to 22mil since moving. At the same time making claims that "everyone asks me to spend, so why shouldn't I keep Nasri a year more?".

?????? I mena really this is what verbal gymnastics and constantly contradicting yourself to avoid admitting your faith in the Board was mis-plcaed. What are you talking about here?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 18:05
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Why can’t you eother prove that claim or admit it was wiullfully and meant solely to discredit the argum,ent I have made that we could invest more in the team than we have because I can post quote after quote from me contradicting this lie.

If you really believe strongly in your views why do you need to lie about anyone else’s views to strengthen in your own mind your own views credibility ? In fact all you have done except to the most inflexible types(like youraself) is discredit yourself and your views so much that you are either a liar, A WUM, or both. Take your pick though there isn’t much to choose from there, is there?

you said you would give A.Cole the extra 5k when most supporters at the time were calling him greedy. you said to offer RVP a I think it was 170k and buy new players. Deserved wages or not you have a lot of answers that come across as throw them the money and give them the wage. You think it's discrediting you but it's not, you discredit yourself for talking about the same sh't every day.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 18:19
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So again why would she take 30-30 million pounds less than she could have made personally to coordinate her sale with that of the man who drove her off the Board and humiliated her and her family publicly by doing so and to the man who stood by and let her be humiliated this way, especially given how eager you acknowledge she was to sell all the way back to 2007. Care to explain?



Again why didn't david Dein sell to Stan Kroenke he was billionaire sugar daddy in theory as well. if they were acting in concert as reported and suggested by the Club's Chairman? And better still again based on the Chairman's public conclusions why did the Board not only work with Stan Kroenke but invite him to become a Director and then sell to his sort?

1. because maybe Lady Nina wasn't as much of a money grabber than you think she is.

2. because of Kroenke's outlook on football, it might be too much of a business for him and less about buying players. Usmanov has continually said openly, if he has more power he's buying players

my comment about Wenger was about him claiming Transfers are down to him, he doesn't spend much and people tell him to spend and he has the option to keep Nasri, a player that is worth Arteta and Mertesacker.


That's it. I think we're done everything else is a moral issue or you saying, "that may be the case but...Yadayadayadaydada" , "that's uncertain but... yadayada ydadad"



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 19:02
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you said you would give A.Cole the extra 5k when most supporters at the time were calling him greedy. you said to offer RVP a I think it was 170k and buy new players. Deserved wages or not you have a lot of answers that come across as throw them the money and give them the wage. You think it's discrediting you but it's not, you discredit yourself for talking about the same sh't every day.

The problem is polls showed most Americans thought invading Iraq was the right thing to do back in 2003. I will bet good money that if you asked most Gooners today whether they thought paying the extra 5K was the best thing to do they would now heartily agree we should have. And since some of us were saying it at that time it's not hindsight. It's just seeing and learning more about what really happened and how it impacted our team.

And for Robin I think I have said as high as 175K a week. But I have also said as low as 125-130K a week would satsify him if we shoewd genuine ambtion to build a winning team around him and the other top players at the Club .

And I have also said no player is irreplacable if you cannot meet their wages or they simply want to leave for any reason they offer but you must be able and willing to replace them properly whether that be a like-for-like replacement in their specific role of similar proven quality and performance, or by if that is not possible redesigning the team to compensate for that loss. We have shown we are unable or more to the point unwilling to poursue either option to our full capability.

None of those facts equate to advocating spending more with no limits - period. So either prove I have said that or just admit you misrpresented the facts about what I have said or shut up if you can't do that. I am happy to politely and spirtedly debate you on these issues but not to be lied about merely to salvage your failed arguments and shaken faith in the Board you trust so deeply.

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised reading ahead that rather than prove what you said was true or admit its not true, you choose to cut and run.

I can call you a liar and I can call you a coward because you have lied and because you lack the honesty to successfully prove what you said or the courage to retract it when you clearly cannot.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 19:35
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1. because maybe Lady Nina wasn't as much of a money grabber than you think she is.

Just one probelm. You yourself have said she was ready to sell back in 2007, nad when you conbine that with being kicked off the Board with Stan Kroenke's approval(quite evudent as clearly he made no effort to act on her behalf).

The one thing that can trump money is passion be it loving passion or hateful passion. And surely Lady Nina would have been affected by that once she was publicly humiliated by Dan Fiszman while Stan kroenke said and did nothing in her defence.

I could see Lady Nina selling to Stan Kroenke if was still sitting on the Board in 2011 for less money as you envision . I could also see her doing so even after being booted out of the Club if Stan Kroenke offered more than Alisher Usmanov had.

But its against all human nature to sell to Stan Kroenke for 25-30 million pounds less after being publicly humiliated with his tacit approval of if not direct involvement in that humiliation.Makes no sense and I think you know that.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 19:38
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2. because of Kroenke's outlook on football, it might be too much of a business for him and less about buying players. Usmanov has continually said openly, if he has more power he's buying players

The problem is David Dein would have known this no doubt in advance unless he was conned into acting as a de-facto agent for Stan Kroenke.

And even if he was conned surely he would not have gone forward as he did if he was so aware of this that he had decided not to sell his shares to Mr. Kroenke, and would not have gone to Lady Nina to ask her to sell to Mr. Kroenke then which is supposedly how the Board found out what Mr. Dein and Mr. Kroenke were doing that led to Mr. Dein's dismissal
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Again you you have argued against your own argument really. If David Dein chose not sell to Stan Kroenke because hwe wasn't going to be the sugar daddy Mr. Dein thought he would be why would he encourage anyone else to do so? And if he headn't done that then he would still be on the Arsenal Board, no?

 
Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
karsene16 (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 19:59
I have not argued against myself because it's all guessing games.



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Re: Gazidis to face questions over boards view on Usmanov and on Wenger's spending plans
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
04 June, 2012 20:09
What a pile of pony. Who needs guesswork? Not you obviously - if a Board member says it its "Good enough" for you.

Or maybe you are just being a troll and WUM becuase you're just saying anything just to argue now. What a joke you are really.

 
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04 June, 2012 20:34
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