Quote:personally, I think that Liverpool winning one trophy and getting to a final in another is successful (as a fan of the sport) but in today's era..its all about the EPL title or the CL qualification
If Liverpool makes a domestic double with carling cup and FA cup and Arsenal finishes 3rd in MUPL, do you guys consider Liverpool's season is failure and Wenger's season as success?
Now a days I don't watch that much of MUPL except the big matches like Arsenal vs City rather last couple of months catching up more on European football but today I was in a pub watching the FA cup Liverpool vs Everton derby.Seeing the joy and euphoria of the Liverpool fans, I felt well these are days fans wait for and really refreshing to see them partying through the night..
Don't want to take away anything from extraordinary turn around of Arsenal and all credit to Wenger for that but as a football fan I'd look beyond always qualifying for the next season in Champion's league and the financial part of it.
To me if Liverpool manages to do a domestic double that will be an excellent performance in football terms and a very successful season.
What do you think?
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Ok well put it this way.who out of last seasons signings wouldnt have signed if we wernt in the cl?i would say none
Quote:gooney wanted Cisse who went to Newcastle
We haven't done a domestic cup double for nearly 20 years, despite being very successful in between then and now, it's a great achievement and one that totally dwarfs qualifying for the Champions League.
As fans we want silverware, not qualifying for a tournament which only breeds annual disappointment and will continue to do so unless a) dramatic improvements are made to the squad and b) if Real and Barcelona fall off the face of the continent.
Cup double, everyday of the week.
we will sign podolski, mvila, vertonghen and we wouldnt get any of these players without CL. Arteta spoke about playing in the CL and why he took a pay cut to come to us. CL is vital and more important than league/fa cup combined.....two pretty meaningless competitions
Quote:Winning trophies is what players want too, not just fans. That's why a lot of our best players have left.
what is so wrong with players wanting money they actually earned with their effort on the pitch
Winning trophies is what players want too, not just fans. That's why a lot of our best players have left.
A trophy is far better than finishing top 4 for the next twenty years with no trophies.
I missed your fist question Gooney so I'll answer both
On Nasri - I would not have offered 150K a week. However if we had bought a couple of top quality players I don't think that would have been necessary anyway. I also think if we had offered him 100-110K a week without buying those quality players he probably stays as well[u][/u]. We don't have to match the bigger spebnding clubs really especially if wessactually win trophies. the idea that we can under pay our best players because they just want to finish top four is ludicrous or these players are an embrassment to Arsenal Football Club and themselves period.
You have no way of knowing if that is true.
On this season vs Liverpool's in 2005 no way would I make that trade. Maybe not even in 2008. But now. Absolutely. Football Clubs are about achieving competitive success as the supporters dream of, not operating with the best profit margin. Ifanyone thinks a football club is about financial success ahead of footballing achievement maybe they need a new sport like watching the financial networks and rooting for their favorite stocks or commodities. So in 2012 yes I would trade places with them or at the very least want our club to want at least that much real success on the football pitch.
It is more to difficult to qualify for the Champions league than win our domestic cups. So it's a greater achievement for Arsenal on the pitch putting aside any financial advantages.
if league cup was that important....why do teams play their reserves players? I think you are the one overrating the league cup.
You lot are such a hypocrits, you want top players, but guess what? They cost alot of money. CL football gives you plenty of money....the league cup and the fa cup dont. Basically you want the owner to pay for everything, but this owner is not. So we need CL football more than effing cups.