why do some people claim everything is down to gods will?
Where did I say that Fabrice Muamba's recovery had anything to do with a God or a lack thereof ?
No I didn't did I, what I asked about was the power of prayer with regard to concentrated power of will and intent. I said "millions of people," not "millions of Christians" and I from London where there are Muslims, Hindu's, Sekhs, Christians and the many derivatives thereof all mix together so my question had nothing to do with one God or another.
Science has already proved that subatomic particles are influenced by the observer. That when subatomic particles (electrons for example) are not being observed they operate in a wave function but the second you introduce devices to observe those particles they collapse down to a particle function and prayer for me is no more than attempting to alter subatomic reality by way of will and intent and I'm not sure if you all recognise the levity of this discovery ?!
What this means and what was conveniently left out of the scientific conclusion of the fact is my own observation which is that subatomic particles therefore do not EVER take material form until they are influenced by the will of an observer in my opinion destroying the Athiest argument by proving that before a universe or any matter can take material form it must first be OBSERVED and it's the "observer" that some people call God.
Scientific experiments on subatomic particles has shown from the beginning that different scientists can carry out the same experiments and equal conditions and come up with wildly different results and at the inception of the application as a science was a huge problem.
In order that a scientific study may become a scientific fact three independent scientists must produce the same results under the same conditions. In the end the conclusion that they drew was that the belief of the individual scientists with regards to what they individually thought the experiment would show was influencing the experiments. Thereby showing that we influence subatomic reality with our intention, will, expectation and belief all of the time meaning by virtue of the fact that we can serve the same function as God as our intention, will, expectations and beliefs are collapsing subatomic particles from a wave function to a particle function thereby turning noting into something all day every day of our lives as conscious observers.
We are not generally sure that there is a God to answer the prayer and those that pray do so in hope not in surety and are therefore unconsciously attempting to provide the answer/cure from within rather than without but very rarely recognise the fact. The fact that even those that profess to "believe" are as plagued by doubt as the average Atheist is also hardly acknowledged, that doubt is also present in prayer and unconscious understanding seems to be that if God won't, then maybe we can which is why people generally choose to pray in groups.
Prayer is as much about trying to find God internally as it is to trying to connect to something externally, it's just that most people don't think that much about prayer or anything else because their lives are plagued by obligations of their Karma (actions) and when these new discoveries in science contradict the status quo and established ideas then science quickly becomes a religious doctrine.
If these new discoveries in quantum science were taught to children in school as I just described them to you then every child would be interested in science because it would be like telling them that they are "using the force" every day.
my view is that there has been no official statement regarding his health yet and threads should be aimed at continued support for Muamba rather than assumptions
And my view is that I am free to hold any view I choose and the last time I checked we were not in China, so f'uck off....how's that for a perspective?!