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goalline technology
13 March, 2012 16:25
What are everyones thoughts on this? My personal opinion is its not needed. I mean how often does it actually become an issue and the officials get it wrong 2 or 3 times a season?think of all the wrong offside decisions its about 2 or 3 a week. & I think when you start bringing technology in its very dangerous.1st it would start with this then somebody would argue its needed for offsides then fouls & the game would soon turn into american football.football has been around 100s of years without technology and has been fine, why change it now. And on a final note if goalline technology was around in 1966 we may well have never won the world cup!

 
Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 16:46
Change it now because the whole world can see every bad decision within seconds of the event.
The fact that FIFA, uefa, etc don't bring them in -IMHO- is a sign of how pathetic they are. technophobes.
If you can get the correct outcome first time. Why not make it happen? After all, the best team should win.
How many times has the epl been won by a team with an incorrect points tally? I wonder!

 
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karsene16 (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 16:48
not worth it for 2 goals a season.

it'll teach players to make sure next time.



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Re: goalline technology
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 16:56
What do you mean make sure. Once you hit the ball and it gos over what else can you do? It's one thing when it's like the clearence of the line Ashley Cole got away with in 2002 against West Ham replays showed was just over ever so briefly and might have been key in us winning the League. (Talk about making your luck - that was brilliant from the chav prince!), butt many of these goals are clear goals the refs and linos just plain miss and its ridiculous and embrassing and can be very, very costly.

So again what do you mean there.? How do you make sure if its not upto you to give the goal just to score it?

 
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Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:03
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What do you mean make sure. Once you hit the ball and it gos over what else can you do?

love this line

Not needed, first it will be goal line technology and then action replay, and then time outs and before you know it it has turned into amreican football with some dude in the a amall room drawing squiggly lines on action replays(Sm164).....God forbid



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Re: goalline technology
younghansolo (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:08
If only occurs a few times a season why not have it, it's not like it's a big inconveiniance?

I know one thing. EVERY member on here would be disgusted if we went out of the CL or something due to a disallowed goal that was over the line subsequently.

Let's be honest the officials are shite and need to be replaced by gigantic, Cylon looking, robot automotons.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:13
when we introduce that, how long do you think it will be before martin oniel is crying about introducing video replays as well since gola line technology doesnt prevent offside goals from being scored

as a mattaer of fact lets get it all in and sack the linos



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Re: goalline technology
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:41
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If only occurs a few times a season why not have it, it's not like it's a big inconveiniance?
I know one thing. EVERY member on here would be disgusted if we went out of the CL or something due to a disallowed goal that was over the line subsequently.

Let's be honest the officials are shite and need to be replaced by gigantic, Cylon looking, robot automotons.

Well, we certainly wouldn't have so many time wasting arguments, Especially after the first time they open fire with the automatic waepaonry in their arms...

 
Re: goalline technology
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:44
it matters if you have a ton of money on the bloody game!

Just stupid not having it, makes no sense in this day and age



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Shimmi147 (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 17:46
The linesmen are much better suited for making the call whether a player is offside or not than they are for making the call whether a ball has crossed the line or not. They are simply too damn far away. Plus they have the goal post, the net, and potentially a bunch of players to see through to make the right call and sometimes that's just physically impossible. So that's the problem - a linesmen is not in a good position to tell whether the ball has crossed the line or not. They need help. So either introduce 2 more refs like in the Europa league and see how well they can call it or just introduce goal line technology already.



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Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:04
How anyone can complain about something that would further assists fair play and a fair result is beyond me.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:06
dont bet then its simple

let me paint a scenario for you

its the Champions league final and Arsenal are playing PSG and their newly aquired stiker Luis Suarez. 10 minutes to the end of the match the Alex song realises that his laces are untied to he bends to to tie them, unbeknowns to the referee who is busting a gut to keep up with play, he trips up over alex song at the EXACT same time that the Lino pulls a hamstring, so they both missed Suaurez recieve the ball in an offside position.

Santos, who has got back to put in a challenge on suarez, inadvertently handles the ball in the area while going for a karate chop to suarez's jaw, and ofcourse the lino who is limping and the ref still trying to get to his feet, miss that as well. Suarez with the painful jaw would be rolling around in pain, only he notices the ball loose in the area and he heads for it, as he is about to pull the trigger he notices vermalen out of the corner of his eye, making a bee line for him.

TV realises that he wont get there in time and pulls out of the challenge, but suarez had already put on his best tom daley impression on and he is mid sumasalt heading into the tripple roll. The lino and the ref spot the tripple roll and both award the pen.

Suarez gets up and hits the pen against the gainst the upright it appears as if it might have marginally crossed the line and sir chess catches it.

how do you begin to sort out that mess now that goal line technology has been introduced. while they are checking to see if the ball has crossed or not through the hocus pocus hot spot nonsense, the replay of the dive, karate chop, hand ball and offside have been shown on the big screen, but ofcourse it doesnt matter because all that has been sanctioned is the goal line technology, because thats the biggest determining factor for whether or not a goal should stand(Sm105)(Sm105)

ps the paragraphs are just for easier reading, didnt mean to break the story up



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Re: goalline technology
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:10
silly example



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Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:14
its not is it

you are suggesting that whether or not a ball crosses the line should take presedence over a handball or a pundh or an offside that might leat to or prevent a goal

im saying its all relevant, better officiating is the answer not the intoduction of technology



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Re: goalline technology
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:18
no I'm saying if its a goal then there should be NO question and since there is technology to sort that out then its silly not to have it

and I'm also not against an instant replay system of some kind either



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Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:22
well i am because it slows the game down and there are some descions that cant be made even after 100 replays

there have been many many more incidents with goals incorecctly scored from or incorrectly ruled out because of offside descions

its a far bigger issue than goal line technology



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Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:23
Exactly Rockstar, there is already technology to sort out this problem. To say that there are other problems in the game so we should ignore this one till the others are sorted out is not a great argument.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:25
thats why that isnt my argument Zainy(Sm105)



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Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:29
Erm, it kinda is Jack.

 
Re: goalline technology
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:30
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What do you mean make sure. Once you hit the ball and it gos over what else can you do?

love this line

Not needed, first it will be goal line technology and then action replay, and then time outs and before you know it it has turned into amreican football with some dude in the a amall room drawing squiggly lines on action replays(Sm164).....God forbid

God I hope you're wrong. Goal-line technology is more than enough.

The only other thing I would want is one ref each side of the pitch - so we don't gat anymore fatf.uck steve dunns to tired after 5 minutes to bother being close enough seeing Henchoz handle the ball so well you'd have thought he was ther Swiss Number One. F.uck you Steve fat fu.ck Dunn. F.uck you.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:33
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Zainy
Erm, it kinda is Jack.

No its REALLY isnt Zainy



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Re: goalline technology
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 18:48
seems like it is Jack

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well i am because it slows the game down and there are some descions that cant be made even after 100 replays

slows down the game..what more than kicking the ball out of play to attend to a injured player who usually gets right up and jogs off anyway?

how much time is it to make sure if a ball if over the line the goal counts or if an offside player scores a goal..to review that..its done on the telly right now in seconds mate



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Re: goalline technology
SaltnPeppah (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:00
Even if it was only for ONE goal in a season or in a tournament, it would be worth it. Video replays are available in every major professional sport. Don't see why football should be left behind.

I don't have a problem with "human error", as Blattini call it, as long as it relates to offsides and fouls during play. If it's a goal, it's a goal. The fact that the referee hasnt seen it doesn't make it less so.

Go and ask any player who's been involved in this situation what they think of human error...

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:06
well since you both seem have a problem comprehending what i have very clearly written

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Zainy
Exactly Rockstar, there is already technology to sort out this problem. To say that there are other problems in the game so we should ignore this one till the others are sorted out is not a great argument.

thats not my argument

the game doesnt need technology it needs better officials simple

rocky how much time it will take will depend on how long it take for the video to be conclusive. some of them just never are, what then?



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Re: goalline technology
Shimmi147 (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:07
The primary job of a linesman is to make offside calls. Good call or bad call - whatever. Let them do it. Just don't let them make the call on whether the ball has crossed the line or not. They are not in a good position to do it, neither is the ref. Either put another ref next to each goal or introduce goal line technology.



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Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:19
so shimi its ok for them to make bad calls about offsides but not on goalline descions are two important for them to mess up



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Re: goalline technology
SuperRob (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:22
It hasn't slowed rugby down that much. Another thing football could learn from rugby is letting physios treat players on the pitch (how different is a physio standing next to a player lying on the floor than a player lying on the floor).

But anyway, I think the best system of all this is the challenge system in tennis and to some extent NFL where each manager would have 1 or 2 challenges per half where the decision of the ref is taken to a video ref. As sky show every week, reviewing decisions usually takes about 20-30 seconds, the same as a sub or an injury. It wouldn't slow the game down because only the big decisions get challenged. Also this adds another tactical element and is fun for the people watching.

This is too big a change for the authhorities though but goal line technology can tell the referee instantly whether the ball crosses the line so it's hardly going to slow the game down and I have no doubt that it should be introduced as soon as possible.

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:22
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rocky how much time it will take will depend on how long it take for the video to be conclusive. some of them just never are, what then?

Then the original call on the field stands...simple

its really not that hard and everything would be in steps until its correct, but it has to be introduced sooner than later



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Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:38
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Jack_is_the_truth
so shimi its ok for them to make bad calls about offsides but not on goalline descions are two important for them to mess up

Point is, none of it is ok.
You think it's ok that QPR are now in the relegation spots because of a goal that a Lino didn't see?
What if that goal was wrongly disallowed for offside?
Fact is, humans can make mistakes that see teams relegated.
Another fact is that humans can be biased too.
If we were allowed to challenge the refs calls, like in tennis, we could feel safe against those refs that we know what to expect from.
It's unreasonable to expect humans not to make mistakes.
Is it unreasonable that we should expect those wrongs to be corrected being as it can take less time than a Krul kick?
I honestly can't see why people have such a fear of technology. Do you enjoy games being decided by wrong decisions or something?
(Sm8)
Madness.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:39
the original call should stand withought having to wast 5 mins pi.ssing about with tv replays. thats the point


Super Rob stop talking hopscotch..rugby is stop start anyway, as is cricket and tennis and any one of the american boring sport with a million commercials inbetween..all of them are suited to video replays. football isnt end of



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Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:42
It doesn't take 5 minutes jack.
If it's that hard to Susa out. Default back to refs decision. Seemples.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:43
philly you to are talking hopscotch

qpr are in the relegation place because they are pants, not because of a diallowed goal. but speaking of disallowed goals they goal that they were awarded was clearly offside, nobody wants technologhy for that right away



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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:48
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the original call should stand withought having to wast 5 mins pi.ssing about with tv replays. thats the point

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Gunners R Us (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:50
People are talking about this without even knowing what the technology will be

Is there going to be some type of laser sensor on the lines or the ball?
Can ALL leagues worldwide afford to implement such technology?
Can the technology break down midway through the game?

If it is the case of stopping the game to see if the ball has crossed via video replay the line then that is. Some teams will just use it to get an extra minutes breather and stop the game. Also sometimes the human eye cannot fully know if it has crossed the line or not, even with 100 replays.

If they can come up with a RELIABLE way of doing this which will be implemented in all leagues then yes I will be up for it. Anything else then NO.

 
Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:53
(Sm6)
I haven't seen the match. Just saw a clip of the clear goal that was disallowed.
So you've got a fair point there too!
(Sm6)
Fair play.
But this is the point. With all the technology now. It's ridiculous that uefa are too embarrassed to let us know that the ref could make a mistake.
They need to man up and grow a pair. Admit -what everyone knows- that we all make mistakes. And allow us to use the technology -which already exists- to make the correct calls.
There is so much money in football now. They can at least make sure we end up with a fair game.



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Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 19:59
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the original call should stand withought having to wast 5 mins pi.ssing about with tv replays. thats the point

bad point
thats your opinion
and you are entitled to your opinion however misguided it may be



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Re: goalline technology
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 20:03
Not misguided..it will change mate



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Re: goalline technology
SuperRob (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 20:12
How is rugby more stop start than football? Have you ever watched a game of rugby?

It doesn't slow their game down that much and often the decisions are harder for video refs to take because often the camera can't see the incident very well because of the number of bodies in the way. And it still doesn't slow it down.

And the challenge system limits this anyway to a maximum of 1 minute per half if you give each team 1 challenge per half. This is hardly going to ruin the game. The alternative of course is to let the referee decide whether he wants a video refs opinion but I think the other option is frankly more exciting.

But this thread was meant to be about goal line tech and as i said, these technologies don't involve people looking at anything or people making any decisions so the computers can tell the referee INSTANTLY whether the ball is over the line. I can't see how anyone can argue with this. The correct decision, every time, and it takes less time than a human brain to make it!

 
Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 20:16
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If it is the case of stopping the game to see if the ball has crossed via video replay the line then that is. Some teams will just use it to get an extra minutes breather and stop the game. Also sometimes the human eye cannot fully know if it has crossed the line or not, even with 100 replays.

Its not up to the team to decide when its used so how would they use it to get a breather? Even if they could, how could they possibly manipulate a goal line decision?
A clear goal can be seen within seconds, more dubious ones within a minute, unclear ones are those that cant be seen within a minute, so the ref's decision will stand. The argument that it will slow down the game doesnt hold any water.

Again my point stands - how people can argue against something that will help get decisions right and lead to a fairer game is simply beyond me.

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 20:19
Are you being serious rob it stops everytime someone knocks the ball forward everytime five tackles are made, everytime someone has to go to the blood bin, everytime someone delibertately kicks the ball in to touch to relieve pressure

the refs whistle goes every 39 seconds ffs its hardly a free flowing game.

the point is Rob, goalline technology is no more important than action replays, one might take a nano second but the fact that it cant acount for the 100 other injustices that might happen on the field renders it a slipery slope



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Re: goalline technology
Shimmi147 (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 20:21
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so shimi its ok for them to make bad calls about offsides but not on goalline descions are two important for them to mess up

No bad call is ok, but some have easier solutions than others. It would be impossible to make the game completely error-free without having a drastic effect on its flow and nature. Human error will always be in the game unless it's refereed by robots. Nobody wants that. At the same time, nobody wants to see horrendous calls by the refs (unless its in your favor(Sm100)). So then we need to find ways to reduce (not eliminate) the human error in football.

My main point is that the linesman is not in a good position to make the call on whether the ball has crossed the line or not. Put another official next to the goal and let him handle that. If that doesn't work, introduce goal line technology.



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Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 21:00
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Bring back stepanovs!
What are everyones thoughts on this? My personal opinion is its not needed. I mean how often does it actually become an issue and the officials get it wrong 2 or 3 times a season?think of all the wrong offside decisions its about 2 or 3 a week. & I think when you start bringing technology in its very dangerous.1st it would start with this then somebody would argue its needed for offsides then fouls & the game would soon turn into american football.football has been around 100s of years without technology and has been fine, why change it now. And on a final note if goalline technology was around in 1966 we may well have never won the world cup!
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Can’t let that one go Steps. The ball was clearly over the line in 66 otherwise Roger Hunt wouldn’t have wheeled away to celebrate instead of taking the easy tap in.

 
Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 21:06
I dont normally say this but im 100% behind you jack.going back to your example it was a bad example but how about this.a goalline decision has to go upstairs but on the replay they notice the striker is comfortably offside.then what do you do?it is such a slippery slope when you start getting technology involved imo.especially over something that is so trivial in terms of how often it happens

 
Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:13
Goal line tech will use microchips in the ball android read if it's over the line. Probably with a green/red light to the 4th official. It won't be replays.
Another non-issue to hide from the spirit of fair play.
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Re: goalline technology
weedz (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:14
Is football still the most popular sport on the face of the planet?
Is it broken?

IMO the fact that football is simple to understand, that there are so few rules, makes the sport what it is.

I`m not against change, but if the officials get it wrong once in a while, it actually adds to the emotion of the event and the mistakes usually have a way of evening themselves out.



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Re: goalline technology
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:21
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the mistakes usually have a way of evening themselves out.

Yeah right. More for some than others eh?

Bo//ocks does it.

 
Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 21:24
Jon sammels they actually used technology to prove the 66 goal wasnt over the line a few years ago mate.exactly weedz

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:32
so the bottom line is im right

thanks for playing everyone



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Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:41
I wish I lived on this magical world where mistakes are evened out by some benevolent force seeking balance.

And as for football being broken. Thats up for debate because a lot of people think it is. But thats a completely separate argument.

People never complained as much about goal line decisions etc because we didnt have the technology to do anything about it realistically. Now we do, so it makes no sense trying to cling to some nonsensical idea that the culture of football would be lost if we brought in something that actually made the game fairer.

 
Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 21:42
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Bring back stepanovs!
Jon sammels they actually used technology to prove the 66 goal wasnt over the line a few years ago mate.exactly weedz

Probably German technology which we all know is crap.

 
Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 21:43
Ok zainy so as we also have the technology to clear up offsides fouls and everything else.where would you stop?

 
Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 21:55
BBS -
We start somewhere. Its quite simple to rule on goal line decisions quickly and effectively. Just because there are a lot of other decisions that go wrong in football, shouldnt affect the decision here at all. This isnt a black and white world where its 'all or nothing' on introducing technology.
I specifically mentioned the word 'realistically' for a reason. Its realistic to expect a decision on whether the ball has crossed the line or not, to the exclusion of all other decisions, within a very short space of time.

The decision making is clear. Did it cross the line or not? Yes, no, inconclusive. Whether the replay shows another infringement etc is immaterial.
Making football just a little fairer without creating a cumbersome game is a no brainer to me.

 
Re: goalline technology
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 22:58
Well said, Zainy

 
Re: goalline technology
13 March, 2012 23:04
But dont you think as soon as you introduce this youll just get clamour for more and more?

 
Re: goalline technology
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 23:10
well said BBS

i would join in but eversince TTI made an appearance i got bored with the thread



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Re: goalline technology
De Times (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 23:20
Any goal that's just over the line and can't hit the net isnt a goal. Wtf is goaline technology? It's for lack of what to agitate for imo.

 
Re: goalline technology
Zainy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 23:30
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Bring back stepanovs!
But dont you think as soon as you introduce this youll just get clamour for more and more?

It may, if it is successful, which is a good thing. But each subsequent decision should be made on the merits of the specific argument for or against future changes.
We shouldn't stop the progress of technology simply because we fear that technology may one day enslave us.


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