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Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 18:37
My advice to you Philly would be to hold off on the sweeping generalizations for just a little while. I hope you are right but its not like we haven't heard a lot of this before at exactly this time of year.

I think a more accurate description for me would be a pragmatic optimist. I believe frankly that every one could have gotten some of what they wanted from Arsenal, but some people just insisted on getting more themselves. It reminds me of an old line on the Electric Company where Morgan Freeman (yes that Morgan Freeman) swung in on a rope dressed as a musketeer and shouted their legendary motto "all for me and nothing for you". This wasn't us just being a bit tight. This was rich people who were just plain greedy.

And there is no guarantee that isn't going to continue from here on. Like I say we have heard this all before and you know it. Why we should believe it now on its own well, only you can answer that one...

 
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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 18:43
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celine was tom alright in the end because he stopped insulting people, cos i gotta tell you, i will always call a muppet a muppet

Your user name shames this forum.

and you thought you wouldnt talk to me anymore. come here you big bunny rabbit http://www.toon-talk.co.uk/Forum/images/smilies/file003.gif

I'm guessing watching Trigger Happy TV you to get you all hot and bothered

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Do I make you horny? Bwahahahahahahaha

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 18:51
I believe the club and Silent Stan will get supporters like Radio on board through trophies before supporters like Radio muster up any real meaningful protest.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 18:53
Hope you're right 80's!!

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:01
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As for saying the only reason we moved to Ashburton Grove was so the shareholders could make loads of money? Whose idea was it? Arsene Wengers. Not anyone on the Board at the time. And the Club spent almost everything it earned on getting the Stadium built.

Again I haven't said that. The closest I have come to suggesting that is questioning why we don't use some of the money being saved to be more competitive if we aren't going to (as Ivan Gazidis has in fact said) reduce the stadium debt any further or pay it off ahead of schedule.

The only other thing I have said and I don't think I even said that here was when it was suggested that we were afraid the football bubble was about to burst is that if that was realistic concern how smart was the project in the first place and how could it benefit Arsenal?

But while emotionally I never wanted us to leave Highbury for any reason intellectually I knew we had little choice -in fact almost no choice.

But the idea that this was solely down to Arsene Wenger is a tiny bit of dodgy history. Arsenal had contmeplated this move for at least three decades all the way back to apocryphal and hysterically infamous meeting with s***s about a ground share at Alexandra Palace which is just one of a number of flirtations with Leaving Highbury before we actually did. This one being the most entertaining of course.

I think That Arsene Wenger did make the move more viable certainly but I wouldn't pretend the Club never even considered such a move prior to Arsene Wneger becayuse that is just untrue.

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And the Highbury Square and other projects have paid off a large chunk of the debt which is down to a third of what it was a few years ago.

Okay what exactly has Highbury Square paid for besides well the money we borrowed to re-develop it in the first place then?

Seems to me that all Highbury Square did was create a larger debt which it then reduced more quickly which clearly again improves equity and increases share value. But I don't think it has paid for anything else really that anyone knows of and that raises the question was Highbury Square(which is really what led to the financial constraints you acknowdge the manager has had to work under) really in Arsenal Football Club's best interests or just the shareholders interests? Over to you then.



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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:04
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That wasn't you and goofie was it jack?

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:07
I really really really hope you are right 80's but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Oh wait we already know don't we?

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:17
If wengers spending policies don't change this summer, I'll be re-evaluating my stance on the way the club is run. That is a promise.
I believe that wenger knows as well as we do what we need to be competitors for the top prizes. Ie; a team willing to stick together, and want to stay because they believe we will win trophies. Wengers plan has failed simply because of the number of people willing to bail on his project. They weren't willing to stay to reap the benefits of a team growing up together. For whatever reason. Think how many peoe have engineered their way out.
Wengers biggest failing, IMHO, was his naivity in believing people are all as patient and faithful as him.
If he understands that we need to cast off the dead wood and bring in 3 more quality players. Then I'm behind him all the way.

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:18
Then I'll watch your protest on sky sports news. Wear an 'I heart Arsenal Times' Tshirt so we know who you are.

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:24
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If wengers spending policies don't change this summer, I'll be re-evaluating my stance on the way the club is run. That is a promise.
I believe that wenger knows as well as we do what we need to be competitors for the top prizes. Ie; a team willing to stick together, and want to stay because they believe we will win trophies. Wengers plan has failed simply because of the number of people willing to bail on his project. They weren't willing to stay to reap the benefits of a team growing up together. For whatever reason. Think how many peoe have engineered their way out.
Wengers biggest failing, IMHO, was his naivity in believing people are all as patient and faithful as him.
If he understands that we need to cast off the dead wood and bring in 3 more quality players. Then I'm behind him all the way.

Hleb was the biggest loss imo. Could have made a massive difference in the 08/09 season.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:27
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Then I'll watch your protest on sky sports news. Wear an 'I heart Arsenal Times' Tshirt so we know who you are.

I'll do better than that matey. Thinking more along the lines of writing a new arsenal song, and you can all be in the video!!
Soccer am would love that, I'm sure!!

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:28
If I am there you won't need such a shirt to know. But I won't be alone - not everyone else is as happy to let the Board screw all of us as some. You'll just be home saying nothing and aiding them in getting away with ripping all of us off with your silence

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:32
I'm sure we've done the old 'talking about Arsenals finances' already on another thread.

f*ck it, the teams doing well. Have a beer. Jump over some seats.

 
Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:36
Amen, Celine.

 
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Indiangooner (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:47
i did jump over the posts between 80 and 110 (Sm13)

 
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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 19:54
Yep, then if things turn for the worst you'll be the first to lose your rag Celine.

Sorry but I don't buy into the manic depressive approach where everything is great one moment then everything is @#$%& five seconds later. If I wanted that I would just ring up my dad and ask him how business is for his company.

 
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celine dion (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:04
Im not sure I will actually. Because the playing staff at the club is clearly at a pretty high level. I didnt think it was (nor did about 30,000 other people) but it very clearly is. All evidence points to this when you look at the current depth / balance of the squad. The only thing he has got away with is RVP not getting injured, but he only has to get through a few more games and hes got away with that one as well. He also appears to be doing something about this as well, with the apparent Podolski purchase.

I suppose if we sold RVP, Wilshere and Sagna and didnt bother replacing them with further similar level purchases, which is the sort of thing we were all annoyed about at the start of this season, then I would be annoyed again yes. But lets wait till it happens. I dont actually think it will. On current evidence, Wenger only needs to sort out a couple of things a) attachment to a couple of overly injured players b) Chamakh and Park. But all the things we moaned about a year back, ie lack of physicality in defence, the keeper, disinterested tw*ts like Denilson, Squillaci, Djourou etc. He has sorted them all out, hasnt he.

So I think we moaners have to accept that Wenger did to a certain extent know what he was doing. He probably wont take the club to the next level, he probably wont be around too much longer to do it anyway. But certainly its better than we all thought it was going to be.

We've stuck 5 goals past Spurs, and 5 goals past Chelsea. Where I'm from, that constitutes a good season on its own, frankly.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:19
Well I wouldn't agree with much of that really. Not entirely certainly. If going trophyless is enough for you fine. There have been times where I had the same exact attitude you do in the past.

The difference now is we could have afforded to do that little beat more to achieve that much more. If you're happy to accept winning nothing so millionaires can be even richer thgan they already were and no other reason in this case really fair play to you I suppose.

I would just suggest you should never complain again because if you are not willing to complain about the real problem you certainly are bang out-of-order to blame anyone else unfairly or incorrectly.

If going trophyless but beating s***s and the chavs is good enough for you in this era I feel sorry for you. I could see if we were so far down the table that even finishing fifth or even tenth was an achievement . But if you prefer letting rich people lie to you so they can be even richer and denying your more than a win over s*888s or a delightful last minute winner over the Geordies good luck to you.

 
Re: You people
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:40
Extending Djourou's contract, and hoarding Chamakh and Park is more proof of Wenger's greatness. No doubt Diaby is due a payrise



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: You people
Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:43
whats wrong with keeping hold of djourou



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Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:43
'I would just suggest you should never complain again because if you are not willing to complain about the real problem you certainly are bang out-of-order to blame anyone else unfairly or incorrectly. '


When have I blamed anyone else unfairly or incorrectly? And for what precisely? Look, its not SCHOOL, you arent here to give us RULES. Its a f*cking internet forum. I was in a bad mood with Arsenal, it went on for about 3 years. I said my piece, many times, some praised me, some berated me. Unlike many I had the n*ts to put it in an article and see my opinion beamed accross the internet, to be TAKEN TO PIECES, which it was, many times in fact, and i've been proven wrong with a lot of it. Stop making rules up. You spend too much time on here, writing the same stuff about the clubs finances. Theres only about 3 people that still read it. WHen you mention the players, , or a result, its alomst as an afterthought. You're right about a lot of the cynical marketing side of it, you will probably be right about Kroenke. You are certainly right about Gazidis. But guess what, if the players and manager are pulling their weight, these people go back to what they should be, money men behind the scenes which we can all happily ignore.

So what exactly is there to be p*ssed off about. Fabregas went, Nasri went, is team worse off for it? No, its exactly the same. Are there fairly strong signs that the club are going to continue to improve things? Yes, there are.

Moaners, like ourselves, who have spent several years moaning, need to know when to stop moaning. I notice you belittle the results against Spurs and Chelsea, but they are pretty significant actually, given the money spent by both clubs. What actual trophies can we actually win? Well, the league cups a b*llocks, the FA cup not much less of a b*llocks, frankly winning either of them would have very little to do with club spending, and at the start of the season we werent in a position to be pitching for the league or CL were we. So what I am saying is, Wenger has done bl**dy well. Who is to say we wont build on this platform? who is to say the board hasnt learned their lesson. I am seeing fairly significant signs that they might have done actually.

So whats the point of whinging on, just so as not to lose face. Give it a rest. Its boring.

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 20:53
It's only really Radio and Padre sticking to their moaning guns. 10 games to change that.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 21:02
Where have I belittled those results. Seriously. Where have I belittled them? Show me one instance of that. Go ahead.

No I have simply said that regardless of the results the same issues remain. Which is simply true. Just because its easier to for you just pretend otherwise now doesn't mean anything. Some of us can celebrate these matches and still care about these issues. It's even easier than patting your tummy while chewing your gum.

I'm telling you anything or setting any rules. It's just like people who refuse to vote - don't complain about the Government then. It's hypocritical period.

I just think its wrong to slag the players and the manager but shut up when it comes to the people I believe are really responsible for this decline. I think the players and manager actually care mmore how we feel and about what we ant for Arsenal than the people running the club as they have and then cashing in on it. I don't think they deserve a free pass. Why do you apparently? If I am incorrect fair enough but you even suggest I'm not incorrect.

I just don't believe in slagging off our players when a bunch of greedy millionaires are the reason they are here instead of better players and I believe that is the case. Do you like being yelled at when you shouldn't be your mum or dad or nowadays your teacher or your boss or your wife? Do you think that's right or fair?

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 21:06
never slagged off the players. Ive slagged the manager off mind you, because there is pretty strong noise coming out of the club that he has had money which he wont spend. But then again, when you look at what he has done these last few weeks, perhaps he didnt need to.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 21:08
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It's only really Radio and Padre sticking to their moaning guns. 10 games to change that.

80's that is patently dishonest and shows how desperate a defender of the Board you really are. You have the crdibility of Mitt Romney convincing everyone what a 'southerner" he was. And you only have yourself to blame.

 
Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 22:56
Give it a rest, Radio. Nobody wants to hear you.

 
Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 23:30
this radio can't change the station!

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Re: You people
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 23:32
Greatest team the world has ever seen, I am sure we will a trophy this season



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.



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Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 23:44
LOL @ padre pio acting like he didn't nearly break his ankles celebrating the last few matches



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Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 01:18
Here we go again - people speaking for everyone because deep down really they have no confidence in what they think. Therefore they have to claim - and falsely I might add - that everyone thinks as they do.

Go listen to Limbaugh MJ - your approach reeks of his or maybe Glenn Becks's . Congratulations.

I can speak for myself thank you and don't need to pretend everyone agrees with me to feel validated in pursuing any discussion.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 01:45
Why should I. I can celebrate us winning any match and still be concerned about these issues. Most adults can manage that.



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Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:01
"Go listen to Limbaugh," good one. When the Girl Scouts start selling cookies this season make sure to drop me a line.

You're useless trying to talk sense to (better men than me have tried) so I don't bother anymore.

It has nothing to do with a lack of confidence, and everything to do with the fact that you'll stay up until 5am trying to bit.ch and complain when quite frankly I have better things to do.

And just as an fyi - if you care soo deeply about how terrible the board is and how they rob fans out of their money, maybe you should do more than post on an internet forum? Ya? Because you're doing fu.ck all here that actually matters.

Would love to see you on a street corner in Connecticut trying to tell guys like Celine not to go to the game they enjoy to see the team they love while you're in... Connecticut.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:15
Nice try MJ. Maybe you ought hold your hand and take responsibility if the @#$%& really hits the fan of course tyou won't. More likely you'll try to claim you were just as worried all along.

As to telling Celine not to go to matches or enjoy our results where have I told anyone that? Be specific or admit you're just being dishonest now. Of course you'll do neither because blind faith matters more than facts with people like you. Like I say go listen to Limbaugh to learn more debating tactics.

The fact I have said at some point voting with our feet may be the only option left. Of course I also 1) we have not reached that point yet and 2) That I would not want to take that step at any point because I love going to the matches any chance I get and supporting the team every match.. Again show me one instance that I spoke contrary to this. Of course you can't, because there is none. But why let the truth get in the way of what you need to believe eh, MJ?

 
Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:25
Radio, you win. You're right in everything. Everyone else is wrong.

Will you shut up now? Nah, didn't think so.

Was worth a shot.

 
Re: You people
Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:29
Radio, go jump off a bridge, but don't die.



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Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:40
You just don't get it. This isn't about winning or losing an arguments, or about personal validation or vindication.

This @#$%& matters - whether you like it or not. Unlike you I can say with 100% conviction, I would rather be 100% wrong. You can't say that and you know it unless in fact you don't care about the impact of all this.Odds are if you are even 1% wrong though you won't eveb be able to stand up and take ownwership of that because apparently reading what you posted you think this is some personal contest of intellect and ego which it really is anything but.

This is entirely about Arsenal Football Club.

 
Re: You people
Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:43
I am very fond of using the bold function. It's like a reverse laugh track... of seriousness.



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Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 02:50
It certainly can be. But I makes me feel more confident about the point I am treing to make actually getting across so I'll live with that lol.

 
Re: You people
hippogunner (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 07:37
You started this Simon and now you've vanished.

Ignoring the constant radio drone I will say only this. Winning a trophy be it the FA Cup and to a lesser extent the League Cup is what players want. Sure they'd rather win the League or CL but when you've won nothing for years you take what you can get.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 07:42
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I am very fond of using the bold function. It's like a reverse laugh track... of seriousness.

It also adds a good reverb to the voice in my head. Like an old U.S 'B movie' title would be announced in...........
"Radio's from Outer Spaaaaaaace"
(Sm132)

 
Re: You people
seanski (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 09:12
Lest we forget, there were people on this site demanding arsenal wenger be SACKED IMMEDIATELY!!!! just a few weeks ago.

"You people" know who you are. You just gotta take it on the chin, You woz bang out of order, as arfer would say.

 
Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 12:05
Radio, you're not worth my time.

And I intend to waste as little as possible on you here on out.

 
Re: You people
tigerline (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 13:23
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Lest we forget, there were people on this site demanding arsenal wenger be SACKED IMMEDIATELY!!!! just a few weeks ago.
"You people" know who you are. You just gotta take it on the chin, You woz bang out of order, as arfer would say.

I know EXACTLY who I am, thank you very much and I will be taking nothing on the chin.

I am very much in celine's camp right now and enjoying the glorious ride that we are on ... with a hopeful eye on an active and productive transfer window.

HOWEVER, I was NOT WRONG about wenger when I complained about his dithering ways and his inattention to putting together a competitive roster EARLY enough to start this season.

I was NOT WRONG when I pointed out that he neglected to get a proper CB in January, 2011 (remember squillaci?). at a time when we were competitive in all four competitions ... he did NOTHING.

This summer, he naively kept courting fabregas and nasri when the entire world knew that they were leaving. he only acted to address the gaps in our line-up at the very last minute ... in some cases, after three league games had already been played. we acted out of desperation when options were few and negotiating strength was gone. there was absolutely no time for the new additions to settle into the club. it was lackadiasical; it was negligence. wenger is directly and personally responsible for our terrible start to the season - 7 points from the first 7 games - that put us out of the league title immediately. he failed to prepare in time.

for much of this season, he was blind to our inadequacies in the front third because of poor play from our attacking midfielder, particularly ramsey.

there has been plenty to moan about with that guy and justifiably so.

that said, I am not blind to the wonderful things going on right now and I do see positive signs of a proactive approach to strengthening the team.

it would be churlish to complain now and this post is only offered to rebut your chest-thumping notion of calling me out. I fervently hope that the old dog has, in fact, learned some new tricks. time will tell.

we have a spine of warriors in our club right now - RVP, rosicky, song, kos, TV, sagna, ches and we have some promising youngsters, too. the future is bright.
fingers crossed.

Go Gunners!

 
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Rockstaar (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 15:06
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This summer, he naively kept courting fabregas and nasri when the entire world knew that they were leaving.

that's a tad bit unfair I think

Arsenal had the power to keep them both..just like Spuds did with Modric..

Fabregas paid to leave and Nasri even told Gervinho that he was staying before heading on to richer pastures

and absolute worst case scenario, I'm sure he knows before you and I which player is staying or going...nothing naive about it really



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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 15:20
The problem is whatn you say are the usual articlesa. Go back and look Tiger each year.

That doesn't mean that this maybe it will actually happen. Nor does it mean it automatically won't. It just means that we should be aware of the possibility that all of these things are leaked precisely to let us believe there are big changes coming that may not come once we give them our money.

If we just went by what we want to believe and hope is ture than surely these policies would have changed at least for years ago if not sooner. We can't just keep letting the Club saay what we want to hear and believe before season tickets are sold and then see none of it come to fruition once those renewals are in. Can you tell me that hasn't happened before and in fact more than 2 or 3 times even?

 
Re: You people
tigerline (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 15:28
I understand what you are saying, RFA, and history is on your side.

perhaps I am being played the fool ... but, it's just my optimistic nature, I guess, in whom "Hope Springs Eternal."
(Sm115)

 
Re: You people
Mad Jens (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 16:42
Not everyone is a miserable colorectal polyp like Radio, its true.

 
Re: You people
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 17:04
Well said tiger, and you are here win or lose, unlike some who go missing when the results are poor



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 19:29
Nothing wrong with that at all tiger what is supporting your team if not a leap of hope constantly except that at some point if yhe promises go unkept we need to finally say enough or maybe we deserve to continue bring taken for mugs as we already have been for some time now.

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 19:58
what you have to realise is that the ar*se is falling out of the premier league. The fair play stuff may not even matter. Chelsea are sh*te, do you really think Abramovic is going to spend another 500 million quid putting them straight. United are sh*te, they've just got done over by Atletico Bilbao. I think we can all see Spurs limitations. Liverpool have spent a lot of money and not got anywhere (well done, AKBs', you were correct) - so without Arsenal having to do anything, perhaps the board is correct. 4 years ago we used to have 3 of the 4 teams in the CL semis most years. Not happening now is it. Everything is returning to the level it was 10 years back. So maybe we were right to stand still, just like the board said. Maybe if you dont live in England, you dont realise. But England is on its last legs guys. Practically hyperinflation, widespread unemployment and total disillusionment in the status quo. Whether you like it or not, that is going to be reflected in the standard of football in our national league. Which, having done all our hard work 6 years ago, might just be good for the Arsenal.

 
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RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 20:13
That's an interesting reading of the situation Celine. I don't think it's entirely accurate however. I don't know what Chelsea will or won't do though my guess is 500 million won't be needed to do it. As for United falling out of Europe, what does that prove really? Esepcially as they in a competition that served no real interest to them being in. I trhink their team is shite relative to past United teams as well( as the last couple before have been as well, but just don't see getting rid of an unecessary burden as they would see it as proving that point.

I think Liverpool's problem is too many new players too quickly for their own good, and s***s well they're s***s - they have a pretty decent team but let themselves dream too big for their own good and it bit them and hard.

I think your reading of things might make more sense if we actually won sone trophies in this period or finished top-two once or twice in there. Otherwise I just think thast theory falls a fair bit short really because it doesn't account for the reality that we aren't where we were all along when we decided to stand still.

 
Re: You people
Simon68 (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 22:53
Re: You people
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2012 07:37

You started this Simon and now you've vanished.


Excuse me for having another life.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
15 March, 2012 23:23
Think you should make a point of replying to my replies or else I can only conclude you fear honest discussion on these issues, because you have already ignored a couple earlier that were worh considering.

 
Re: You people
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 00:15
The only consistently consistent people are dead



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: You people
Simon68 (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 02:06
Re: You people new
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2012 23:23

"because you have already ignored a couple earlier that were worh considering."


I'll be the judge of that.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 02:50
No you haven'y you know iyt and what's more you simply are afraid to because what you want toi blewivev aboout Arsenal symbolically is more important than the actual reality/\.

You just want tobelieve what you want to believe but like many if you proven wrong as is likely ypu'll all run and hide behind the blind faith you cling to now. At least that is what your lack of reaction to my posts in response to youre log-winded posts shows.

I get called out all the time for quaestion hoiw much somw really care about what is happening to our club. Yet theses people demonstrate over and an eagerness to ingore what thewy don't to believe no matter the or potential consequnces. Believing what they want to believe is more important than gettung at he truth. I jst don't get that my belief has always beenm we all love Arsenal Football Club.

And no you haven't answer4d them because they were posted in repsonse to your post yesterday. Don't try to insult my intelligence andf tell me you did something you chose not to do no matter your reasoning for that choice.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 08:27
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
You just want tobelieve what you want to believe but like many if you proven wrong as is likely ypu'll all run and hide behind the blind faith you cling to now.


So what will you do if YOU'RE the one proven wrong Radio?

Doubt you've even entertained that idea some how!!

 
Re: You people
hippogunner (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 10:00
Quote:
Simon68
Re: You people
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2012 07:37

You started this Simon and now you've vanished.


Excuse me for having another life.

ANOTHER LIFE! There is no other life. You come on here while playing the absentee for months, (although we all know you've been watching our every move, plotting your return when the time was right, that time being when we were finally close enough to tickle Redknapp's twitchy eye), and dare to upbraid those who were disillusioned with Jacques Tati.

Delicately you stirred the embers of revolt until they burned bright again and incurred the wrath of the man who is a radio and then pleased with yourself you sneak back behind the barricades tenderly stroking your tattered posters of Monsieur Wenger.

I'm merely jesting with you Simon. I envy you as you roam the plushly furnished halls of hope while I trundle across an eviscerated landscape striking withered fruit from the branches of broken trees.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 12:12
Quote:
Philly the kid
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
You just want tobelieve what you want to believe but like many if you proven wrong as is likely ypu'll all run and hide behind the blind faith you cling to now.


So what will you do if YOU'RE the one proven wrong Radio?

Doubt you've even entertained that idea some how!!

I will happily acknowledge I was wrong - after all if I am these policies will see us dominating English and European Football almost immediately - of that was 2006 okay imminently - oh that was 2008 -or at least inevitably - oh that was 2009.

I could be wrong and I could be right. The facts we actually know suggest the latter or at the very least don't come close to dismissing that.However, I am not the one who is compleletly unwilling to consider that possibility of being wrong. Do you seriously think you and some others here have seriously considered that possibility and where and when have you done this anyway becaiuse I have never seen any of people like you raise even the possibility you are wrong here.

Go ahead show me where you have shown any real concern that you might be wrong and what you want to do to be sure you are right. No, I am not the one guilty of automatically assuming I am right, abnd the evidence is as clear as every post we wll write on this.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 12:14
Quote:
Goofle11
Radio, go jump off a bridge, but don't die.

Well you about got your wish - at least it feels that. I have a wicked late-season flu. God it sucks. Enjoy it lol....

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 12:19
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal

Go ahead show me where you have shown any real concern that you might be wrong and what you want to do to be sure you are right. No, I am not the one guilty of automatically assuming I am right, abnd the evidence is as clear as every post we wll write on this.

Quote:
Philly the kid
If wengers spending policies don't change this summer, I'll be re-evaluating my stance on the way the club is run. That is a promise. I believe that wenger knows as well as we do what we need to be competitors for the top prizes. Ie; a team willing to stick together, and want to stay because they believe we will win trophies. Wengers plan has failed simply because of the number of people willing to bail on his project. They weren't willing to stay to reap the benefits of a team growing up together. For whatever reason. Think how many peoe have engineered their way out.
Wengers biggest failing, IMHO, was his naivity in believing people are all as patient and faithful as him.
If he understands that we need to cast off the dead wood and bring in 3 more quality players. Then I'm behind him all the way.

Quote:
Philly the kid
Quote:
80'sGoona
Then I'll watch your protest on sky sports news. Wear an 'I heart Arsenal Times' Tshirt so we know who you are.

I'll do better than that matey. Thinking more along the lines of writing a new arsenal song, and you can all be in the video!!
Soccer am would love that, I'm sure!!

You'd do well to read my posts before deciding what my stance is RFA mate.
Wakey wakey.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 12:25
Quote:
Simon68
Re: You people new
Posted by: RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2012 23:23

"because you have already ignored a couple earlier that were worh considering."


I'll be the judge of that.

This simple enough you chose to ignore a number of posts that don't support your blind faith and trust in our Board because clearly the truth is secondary too you in all this. Or at least the very possible if not absolutely probable truth.I responded specifically to your post addressing me by name you made at 9:06 Wednesday morning in a series of posts at 18:07, 18:24, and 19:01. You never replied which did not simply mis-state a number of facts but mis-stated my interpretation of those facts.

If you choose to ignore those posts I can only conclude you are not even willing to try and have an honest converstation about the direction of the Club if that honest means viewing the Board in less than idealized terms.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 12:52
^ hypocrite.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 13:32
How so ? I have answered all sorts of questions and amm happy to do so because in many cases those questions only strengthen my views unlike the questions I ask which weaken yours and others. So name one time I avoided a question. Go ahead you called me a hypocrite show the integrity to prove that.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 13:56
Read the post before the one I called you hypocrite for.
Sure you'll figure it out.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 14:15
Nice try - though at best you willfully took my words out of context there adn I believe and have stated all along that the question is who is responsible for these policies and all factula evidence suggests it in fact is the Boardf seeting out to manipulate the club's money to increase the equity value and share price. Pretending it is solely down to Arsene Wnegr is no different than just maintaining blind faith in the Board.

Could it be solely down to Arsene Wenger? Maybe But how likely is that really? The facts suggest its highly unlikely at best. asnd we owe to ourselves and to our club to seek the real answers before its well and truely too late whatever they may be. Like I say so you want see a 2004...OH DEAR sign held up by s***s @#$%& in a decade?

But no its not at all hypocritical to dismiss a statement that still shows no interest on your part in exploring these issues properly. And to do it properly you can't ignore amy possibility you just don't want to believe or just can't believe without even reviewing the facts.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 14:32
Or maybe I just have a different opinion. The world isn't as black and white as you like to pretend it is radio.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 14:36
No as I have said before the world isn't black-and-white at all.

I'm curious genuinely... what actual facts do you rely on to conclude that question how the Board is running the Club and Why they are...

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 14:50
Radio, say we did win a trophy or two next season, that wouldn't necessarily prove the club aren't "stealing our money" or "manipulating the share price". So if/when we do win something, I'd personally rather you kept banging your drum.

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 14:50
I am BORED of talking about the BOARD

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 15:04
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
No as I have said before the world isn't black-and-white at all.
I'm curious genuinely... what actual facts do you rely on to conclude that question how the Board is running the Club and Why they are...

The fact that we are heralded as one of the best run football clubs in the world, by probably 95% of observers.
Nb; you are the minority here. I don't really understand why you act as if you know best all the time. Unless you're actually David dein hiding behind a pseudonym.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 15:17
But again what proof do you have that we are run as football club first and not entirely a business for personal wealth You really haven't answered that.


We all agree the club is well-run by very good businessmen but is that basis of their operating philosophy what is best for Arsenal Football Club or what is best for themselves. And what are the potential consequnces for the football club in either instance?

We can all say all the numbers add up neatly because in fact they do - but what does that actually mean at this point? Could the numbers be different and stilladd up neatly and perhaps benefit the Club more and its investors a bit less? while still ensuring our future?

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 15:23
Philly, don't put yourself through it man!

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 15:23
The proof is in the league standings.
Yes, If we had spent a Lil bit more on quality players we may have been competing for silver still.
But as I said before, I believe wenger has lost patience with his own spending policy, and I expect him to sort that out this summer.
You just seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder dude.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 15:28
Quote:
80'sGoona
Philly, don't put yourself through it man!

He's getting me through work!!
It's aaaall good. Roll on Saturday!!

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 16:29
Quote:
Philly the kid
The proof is in the league standings.
Yes, If we had spent a Lil bit more on quality players we may have been competing for silver still.
But as I said before, I believe wenger has lost patience with his own spending policy, and I expect him to sort that out this summer.
You just seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder dude.

Excuse me? We're still fourth right now and one bad day from fifth right now. You'll have to explain how our position in the table proves anything., especially given that from 199-2005 we never once finished below second.

As for your belief that Mr. Wenger has changed his policy on what do you base that. A bunch or articles with ni substantiated quotes from any major Arsenal official least of all Mr. Wenger himself. And any quotes coming from club officials are no different - with one exception - than the quotes from the Club each season ahead of the summer and ST renewals.

It is absolutely valid to take exception to anyone's views based on the facts, but you don't have the ability to offer any facts do you to justify your views do you? Just some vague stories we all would like to believe that sound like the same sort of stories we wanted to believe last year...or the year before...and the year before....

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 16:38
Yes, it's based on Wengers own words. Not my fault if you don't read all his interviews.

If I'm the only person ignoring the facts. Why are YOU the only person in the world that doesn't see Arsenal as a well run club?

 
Re: You people
80'sGoona (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 16:43
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Quote:
Philly the kid
The proof is in the league standings.
Yes, If we had spent a Lil bit more on quality players we may have been competing for silver still.
But as I said before, I believe wenger has lost patience with his own spending policy, and I expect him to sort that out this summer.
You just seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder dude.

Excuse me? We're still fourth right now and one bad day from fifth right now. You'll have to explain how our position in the table proves anything., especially given that from 199-2005 we never once finished below second.

As for your belief that Mr. Wenger has changed his policy on what do you base that. A bunch or articles with ni substantiated quotes from any major Arsenal official least of all Mr. Wenger himself. And any quotes coming from club officials are no different - with one exception - than the quotes from the Club each season ahead of the summer and ST renewals.

It is absolutely valid to take exception to anyone's views based on the facts, but you don't have the ability to offer any facts do you to justify your views do you? Just some vague stories we all would like to believe that sound like the same sort of stories we wanted to believe last year...or the year before...and the year before....

Philly, I and others have pointed out to Radio that the scene has changed, but to him that doesn't really matter. He'll accuse you of being dishonest and he'll say you've failed to answer his question even if you answer it 100 times.

But if you're getting paid to speak to him, then please continue (Sm6)

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 16:45
(Sm6)
Will do.
Just put a new poll up, just to see what ratio of people are 'ignoring all the facts'!
(Sm6)

 
Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:01
excuse my post lads...just trying to get this thread above 200



http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah110/onlyonerockstaar/arsenalsigs2_zps28332df5.jpg
[arsenalsigs.blogspot.com]

 
Re: You people
tigerline (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:05
Doves?

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:13
Yes i think rockstaar might have been on the doves before he came up with that little number

 
Re: You people
Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:15
Rockstaar, you mind me stealing your sig to use on another forum?

I ask out of politeness, but I am already using it.



Official 1000th poster in the classic transfer rumors thread of 2014.

 
Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:33
its called design mates...design, please leave it to the professionals

@goofle
feel free...once I put sigs up they're fairgame



http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah110/onlyonerockstaar/arsenalsigs2_zps28332df5.jpg
[arsenalsigs.blogspot.com]

 
Re: You people
tigerline (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:37
Exceptional quality, Sir, it truly is, but can I ask an anatomical question ... are his ears really THAT big?

 
Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:43
(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)

oh f.ck!

I only just noticed that, but I didn't draw the pic, found it online from an artist that did Arsenal drawings

maybe I'll draw one that is anatomically correct just for the hell of it (if indeed that one isn't)



http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah110/onlyonerockstaar/arsenalsigs2_zps28332df5.jpg
[arsenalsigs.blogspot.com]

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 17:49
Quote:
Philly the kid
Yes, it's based on Wengers own words. Not my fault if you don't read all his interviews.
If I'm the only person ignoring the facts. Why are YOU the only person in the world that doesn't see Arsenal as a well run club?

You mean these words

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

'Yes, the wage bill approach will stay the same until the stadium is paid off,' said Wenger. 'But when it is we can go a bit higher. We can never be dominant in the transfer market because it is never just the money you spend to buy players, it is the wages as well.'

In case you were wondering as of right now the stadium won't br paid off before 2031.

Of course if this is solely down to Arsene Wenger alone surely the Board would have taken some action, no?

See we all can cite all sorts of quotes and we all should be concerned about which ones are true and why.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 19:51
Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
Quote:
Philly the kid
Yes, it's based on Wengers own words. Not my fault if you don't read all his interviews.
If I'm the only person ignoring the facts. Why are YOU the only person in the world that doesn't see Arsenal as a well run club?

You mean these words

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

'Yes, the wage bill approach will stay the same until the stadium is paid off,' said Wenger. 'But when it is we can go a bit higher. We can never be dominant in the transfer market because it is never just the money you spend to buy players, it is the wages as well.'


Nope I mean these words.....

Quote:
Arsene Wenger
It’s true that it’s a new cycle.
When we left Highbury I thought long term with a very young team. It didn’t work. We have to rebuild again.

Take that out of context then, genius.
(Sm8)

Link
The link isn't to a full interview admittedly. So call the context how you like, it seems pretty clear to me. I couldn't be ar$ed to trawl through the net to find the original interview I read.



Quote:
RadioFreeArsenal
In case you were wondering as of right now the stadium won't br paid off before 2031.
Of course if this is solely down to Arsene Wenger alone surely the Board would have taken some action, no?

See we all can cite all sorts of quotes and we all should be concerned about which ones are true and why.


There is nothing in your quote from Arsene that is anything less than plain old logical common sense matey.

I don't know if it's just Arsene or the board that have come up with the policies. But -to my mind- with Arsene being the economist he is, it fits the situation that Arsene played a major role in it all. Fits his principles and his style. I am just speculating here. Stop me if you don't understand the principle of speculation...... 'knowing that I don't know for sure'.
Right now with the way our team is playing, maybe Arsene is right, we do have a squad that can compete. We just need more utility players to cover more than one position, and players bought at top quality, not bought to progress to top quality as our policy seems to have been for a few years now. That way, maybe next year we won't end up with 4 cbs playing the back 4. We've had amazingly bad luck with injuries this season, and I say that meaning in one department at the same time. Had we not had such rotten luck, we would have been competing for the title. I BELIEVE that, I don't know it, as -again- i'm just speculating.

 
Re: You people
eduardo (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:17
(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)amazing, radio still reeling in some of you to interact with him, (Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22), guys if you really feel the need to go round and round in circles I would say you would be better off getting on a carousel than interacting with the WUM(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)spinning smiley sticking its tongue outspinning smiley sticking its tongue outspinning smiley sticking its tongue out



*Signing Ozil is a signing Bergkamp type moment for Arsenal. It changes things utterly.*

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:19
Logical common sense eh - but you are saying all that is changing when he is saying in the article that quote comes from it won't change until 2031 which is to say the least a bot of an inconsistency in your reading of this.

We are all specualting here, The difference here is 1) I am making more informed speculation based on more proven facts and examination of those facts and 2) you either view specualtion as fact or are happy to do so apparently.

I agree we are spucating. I just feel that it is critical improtance to know which specualtion is in fact correct. I should think you would agree with that.

 
Re: You people
celine dion (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:23
Radio mate, have a pot noodle and a w*nk for Christs sake. Your are probably right in most of what you say. But jesus man, you are saying it about 900 times a day. It cant be healthy.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:25
Ed', he was keeping me entertained at work.

Radio, yes, I do agree with that. But i'm not stupid enough to think that telling people that they're wrong proves anything.
Hence, i'm just enjoying the ride, which you -quite clearly- aren't.

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:32
Oh as for that quote - I think it comes down to this would we have changed that policy if the Board hadn't undermined the club's cash flow by overborrowing. The Stadium didn't kill us financially at all - the re-developmewnt of highbury did. And so far the only beneficiaries of that project have been the shareholders who cashed in. Name one thing Highbury Square has actually paid for besides well Highbury Square?

Part of why Arsene Wenegr made the monet he does in my view is deflecting all that away. Otherwise why not try that new idea in 2004 oer 2002 or 1998 or 1997? And what manager would stay att a club for eight full years when he wasn't allowed to manager as he wished?

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 20:45
Actually, the high bury Square angle -i'll admit- is something I hadn't given any thought to until I read one of your posts.
Very interesting point. You certainly seem to know a lot about the finances of the club. I would be curious to know the facts of those matters.
For me though, my dad was a finance man, i'm happier with music than maths. I watch the Arsenal to be entertained. I'm kinda happy leaving that to people who know their business. Hence why i'm happy with the way the club has been responsible behind the scenes.
I do hope that they aim their sights higher with regards to transfer targets. Cos I believe with a couple of higher quality signings we can compete again. Be the team that strikes the fear of god into all opposition -like we used to- before we even step out of the tunnel.
I'll be pi$$ed if they haven't learned this yet, after all these groundhog years.
But that remains to be seen. So -as I said before-, i'm just enjoying the ride.
Chill Winston!
smoking smiley
I'm not out to offend!!

 
Re: You people
RadioFreeArsenal (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 21:05
Honestly its just a hobby I have mates who actually kniow this far bbetter I count on. zI am writing up something On Highbury Square. Let's just say that many conceded it was mistake for Arsenal. But was it a misrtake for the shareholders?

It will be up by Monday at the latest. Have this f.ucking MONSTER bug. Hate it wish I could just go into a coma till it passes.

Anyway I largely agree with your outlook. Maybe its the progressive in me who doesn't like corporate greed mucking things especially when we experiencing such a special period and I'm not sure we had to abandon that.
Or maybe its just the New Englander in m ewho's heard all the Old "Curse of the Bambino Stories" over and over and is paranoid about ever seeing that happen to one of my teams. I don't want us to be like s***s supporters ever.

 
Re: You people
Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 21:14
Radio, did you rate Denilson?



Official 1000th poster in the classic transfer rumors thread of 2014.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 21:18
Quote:
Goofle11
Radio, did you rate Denilson?

Sweet, my WUM shift is over......
Clocking out!!

 
Re: You people
Eboractos (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 21:39
Quote:
celine dion
Yes i think rockstaar might have been on the doves before he came up with that little number

Doves? You're showing your age. Funnily enough some of the more popular disco biscuits at the moment are actually called rockstars.

 
Re: You people
Philly the kid (IP Logged)
16 March, 2012 21:45
Really?
(Sm6)
Give it a year they'll be 'double rockstars' then!!

 
Re: You people
Rockstaar (IP Logged)
17 March, 2012 00:31

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