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Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 15:10

Do you believe in Extraterrestrial intelligent life visiting earth, UFO sightings etc?

Yes, I do believe we are not the only intelligent life in the universe
No. I believe in what was taught in science class. Life was created by chance on earth and evolved to intelligent species over time by natural selection
No. I believe in God and God created all life on earth. We are special.
I believe in something else(shano special belief, please specify)

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There is a whole debate of creationists versus evolutionists. Where creationists are considered as religious juggernauts and evolutionists as scientific atheists but some very recent development of breakaway scientific community n non-mainstream crowdsourcing non-governmental scientific community emerged who are relentlessly showing the lots of evidences and scientific research which might be suggesting completely otherwise. This is game changer!!
What do you think?

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
hippogunner (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 16:36
Not sure why believing in no.2 excludes one from believing in life elsewhere.

God, of course, only exists because Man created him. There is no divine omnipotent being except maybe Arsene Wenger, in De Times mind at least.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 19:02
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hippogunner
Not sure why believing in no.2 excludes one from believing in life elsewhere.
God, of course, only exists because Man created him. There is no divine omnipotent being except maybe Arsene Wenger, in De Times mind at least.
Good point hippo, that’s the purpose of this poll, if life was formed by chance through natural selection that’s point 2 then point 1 which states an observing bunch of ETs who visit the earth regularly must be much much more advanced civilization than us right?
So it’d be much easier to believe they played a major part or probably still playing major part today. That means life on this planet came from somewhere rather than some mathematically impossible random probability of all happening by chance through natural selection. Believing in point 1 as well as point 2 is mutually exclusive.
Point 1 n point 3 are actually not completely exclusive.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Goofle (IP Logged)
06 January, 2018 14:10
I believe they could exist.

This is the only rational answer by the way.



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Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
06 January, 2018 18:48
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SandyB
but some very recent development of breakaway scientific community n non-mainstream crowdsourcing non-governmental scientific community emerged who are relentlessly showing the lots of evidences and scientific research which might be suggesting completely otherwise.

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Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 01:32
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Shane
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SandyB
but some very recent development of breakaway scientific community n non-mainstream crowdsourcing non-governmental scientific community emerged who are relentlessly showing the lots of evidences and scientific research which might be suggesting completely otherwise.

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Don’t boo.. vote!!

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 08:09
I would but 'Sandy's crazier than Jeffrey Dahmer swinging a bag of batsh*t like a nunchuck' isn't an option.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 19:13
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Shane
I would but 'Sandy's crazier than Jeffrey Dahmer swinging a bag of batsh*t like a nunchuck' isn't an option.
The vote is about aliens not about sandy, your option to vote is there option 4.
Accepting the presence of aliens in shaping life on this planet is big blow to mainstream scientists who run things like NASA, theory of random evolution not systematically designed genetic mutations at odds.
Theories like the role of an artificial big almost hollow moon which might not be a celestial body, earth’s unique magnetic field and Van Allen belt played in seeding the planet is entirely different concept n direct contrary to atheist mainstream denial of creation or even maintaining secrecy on fact coming out to public is absolute game changer.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 23:08
How do you get to a point where you believe in aliens but not the moon?

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 23:25
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Shane
How do you get to a point where you believe in aliens but not the moon?
Dude, don’t make an ass of yourself read about hollow moon theory it’s credible scientific research.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 23:40
"Dude don't make a fool of yourself. Now let's get back to the matter at hand: did Aliens invent humans?"

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 04:40
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Shane
"Dude don't make a fool of yourself. Now let's get back to the matter at hand: did Aliens invent humans?"
Before we go there, have you heard of things like robots, artificial intelligence, nano technology, self replicating robots? How good our science is creating these stuff today? Where we will be say 50 years from now or 100 years from now? Could we make perfect robots who could learn from the environment gather knowledge programmatically n self improve then self reproduce from the resources around them?
These aren’t science fiction not some crazy thoughts of fanatics, scientists around the world are working on these stuff as we speak. This is the future could be just 30 years from now. What happens we human create/design such perfect robots hundred years from now of different shapes n sizes some like grasshoppers some like rabbits n some like even human. Can they have cognitive intelligence of various capacity? Think about it, is that possible?
What if NASA decides to put them in some spaceship n decide to leave them in a distant planet? What happens with them?
If you can grasp this concept we can discuss further, who are we human beings or this seeded planet we live today. It’s much reasonable a concept to grasp rather than everything appearing from nothing that they taught us in school.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 13:23
I don't see what that has to do with the existence of aliens.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 14:45
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Shane
I don't see what that has to do with the existence of aliens.

You still aren't thinking then...let's start with this article, Read this Why the future doesn't need us this is written by someone called Bill Joy, a man in this field on his own right 17 years ago.He referred to a book, Ray Kurzweil's 'The Age of Spiritual Machines'. Although Ray Kurzweil used the term 'Spiritual machine' from a different perspective but you gotta ask are we already not a spiritual machine?
Imagine shano, you have all the power to make such self reproducing, cognitive intelligent robots(don't stress too much about the word ROBOT you know today you will be lost then), would you make them perfect? By perfect I mean, immortal non-destroyable n one day they could surpass you the creator? Or you will leave a loophole, most importantly build them with a spiritual cognizance towards seeking their creator? The essence of god?

Does it sound crazy?

Does it sound crazier than some explanations like literally thousands of examples of things like pyramids, heavy monolithic stone statues even the ancient megalithic cities were built by our ancestors probably more than 5000 years ago with some chisels n logs which we don't have the means to build even today? Then deny every religious books n stuff they elaborately documented meticulously on stone structures as some mythical human imagination? Simplistic n idiotic explanation like human created gods n then accepting probably unimaginably crazier mathematically impossible theories of self creation by chance?

If you can grasp the concept then probably you will be ready to understand about aliens which itself is a huge topic with literally hundreds of thousands of hard proof from ancient time till today but left aside from mainstream for another day.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 21:20
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SandyB
Does it sound crazier than some explanations like literally thousands of examples of things like pyramids, heavy monolithic stone statues even the ancient megalithic cities were built by our ancestors probably more than 5000 years ago with some chisels n logs which we don't have the means to build even today?

Brazil still doesn't have the technology to build Christ the Redeemer so you might well be right.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 22:45
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Shane
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SandyB
Does it sound crazier than some explanations like literally thousands of examples of things like pyramids, heavy monolithic stone statues even the ancient megalithic cities were built by our ancestors probably more than 5000 years ago with some chisels n logs which we don't have the means to build even today?

Brazil still doesn't have the technology to build Christ the Redeemer so you might well be right.
Now you kill the thread with irrelevant throw away!! That's lack of depth.
So you believe that ancient Egyptians build the pyramids with chisels all by themselves where the nearest stone queries were 200 miles away n some of those stones weighing more than 60 tonnes. Then you don't believe any of their scriptures which talk about their gods coming down from stars n they kept their mummified body one day to reunite with their gods??
Amazing brainwashed creature.. of modern era. Aliens must be doing some good jobs with genetic mutations..have you ever been abducted?? (Sm100)
shano



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Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Shane (IP Logged)
10 January, 2018 00:29
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SandyB
So you believe that ancient Egyptians build the pyramids with chisels all by themselves where the nearest stone queries were 200 miles away n some of those stones weighing more than 60 tonnes.

Human beings can carry huge amounts of weight Sandy. The Brazil team did it with Ronaldo in 2006.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
10 January, 2018 15:02
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Shane
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SandyB
So you believe that ancient Egyptians build the pyramids with chisels all by themselves where the nearest stone queries were 200 miles away n some of those stones weighing more than 60 tonnes.

Human beings can carry huge amounts of weight Sandy. The Brazil team did it with Ronaldo in 2006.
Check this out shano..
sunnyskyz
National Geographics

Enough of heavy lifting, now checkout a concept called Terraforming
Terraforming is the very cradle of primitive civilization like ours on planet earth.. yes you heard it right, we are still a very primitive intelligent life (Sm105)

In later stage of this thread will introduce mathematical model that predicts what are the probable types of intelligent organic(biological) or inorganic(robotic) civilization possibly existing since the creation of observable universe.

Coming back to the concept of terraforming which might have happened in distant past to planet earth in distant past probably billion years ago!! A very advanced civilization who are ahead of us by billions of years don't need terraforming a planet to survive. In fact they will not build anything visibly on planetary surface like what we do to safeguard themselves from natures fury. No astroid hit or global warming would be able to impact anything. Crazy stuff huh!!

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 21:20
unique alignment
Shano, now that your interest in the topic seems like growing, check out the elementary stuff that is what we call well documented.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
16 January, 2018 20:19
It’s not that complex.
If there are it’s amazing
If we are only intelligent life in universe that’s also amazing.

If there is other intelligent life in universe its probably so far away we will never make contact



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
17 January, 2018 00:43
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Padre Pio
It’s not that complex.
If there are it’s amazing
If we are only intelligent life in universe that’s also amazing.

If there is other intelligent life in universe its probably so far away we will never make contact
The point is they are constantly contacting for hundreds of years, checkout about Roswell coverup, there are literally 1000s of UFO sightings documented in modern era the conventional mainstream scientists n world governments deny point blank. Thousands of years of religious scriptures documented abouts arrival of gods from sky they laugh it off calling mythology, religious fanaticism to deny the creationists any credibility n selling completely impossible theory of everything created on earth by chance theory even including creation of universe. Even the earth’s magnetic field, Van Allen belt, perfect positioning of moon are so perfectly designed beside the complex life form which they tried to explain by some age old random evolution theory is no longer sustainable to the extent that even Pentagon now started acknowledging unofficially by leaking about their secret UFO observation projects n even unofficially releasing videos in mainstream media.

The biggest point is they should immediately change the course from hogwashing n bring back the focus what prodigies like Nikola Tesla, Wernher Van Braun thought of achieving. Basically, human purpose isn’t just living in comfort as superior being controlling each other’s territory n resources but developing technology following the messages from our ancestors to advance n reunite with the creator.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
07 March, 2018 01:03
I reckon that points A and B are both probably correct, but not totally correct.

Out of the chaos of our solar-system forming, the 3rd planet from the sun spun at a orbit that allowed life to form and adapt. Human life is known to have evolved long before evidence of aliens visiting us.

That these aliens gave us advanced technology, is very
believable, given the evidence, but these technologies have been lost over time and replaced with human technology. So have these alien visitors had an important link to our development? Probably not.

From the earliest known recorded human writings, man-kind has created nearly 3000 different 'Gods'. Reasons of explanations as to why we exist. That some of these Gods have been Aliens, is quite reasonable, as is that early civilisations benefited from the visits.

But that Aliens advanced or changed the planet earth in some way, I don't believe. And the planet Earth is the real and only reason we exist.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
07 March, 2018 14:55
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weedz
I reckon that points A and B are both probably correct, but not totally correct.
Out of the chaos of our solar-system forming, the 3rd planet from the sun spun at a orbit that allowed life to form and adapt. Human life is known to have evolved long before evidence of aliens visiting us.

That these aliens gave us advanced technology, is very
believable, given the evidence, but these technologies have been lost over time and replaced with human technology. So have these alien visitors had an important link to our development? Probably not.

From the earliest known recorded human writings, man-kind has created nearly 3000 different 'Gods'. Reasons of explanations as to why we exist. That some of these Gods have been Aliens, is quite reasonable, as is that early civilisations benefited from the visits.

But that Aliens advanced or changed the planet earth in some way, I don't believe. And the planet Earth is the real and only reason we exist.

If you believe in science you can't believe in random evolution n natural selection. That's contrary to theory of probability that's beyond anything mathematics could ever comprehend. The DNA which is most complex self replicable genetic coding that put the most advanced computers n nano technology human have ever imagined(not even developed yet) to child's play could have developed by chance by the process of evolution is beyond any religious mythology ever imagined. In short it never happened, there is absolutely no proof it ever happened, there is no successful test could prove even the basics of theory of evolution that human n toads both evolved from a banana tree or something similar.

If you believe in chance then today you n I are typing on internet till today is the result of chance. That's not a chance.
There are literally millions or zillions of evidence in the universe in solar system n earth that suggest that there is a patten in the chaos.
It's really baffling how a scientific mind could deny every single evidence n believe in tooth-fairies. Actually believing in GOD probably a much more rational explanation.

Today human is developing technology which could produce self replicating near perfect intelligent machines(some kinda robots) that could start colonizing other planets in next 100 years. When that's feasible still not believing a terraformed earth n it's biological machines aka living creatures are not a possibility is something to be considered as technological masterclass of our creators.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
09 March, 2018 06:56
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SandyB
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weedz
I reckon that points A and B are both probably correct, but not totally correct.
Out of the chaos of our solar-system forming, the 3rd planet from the sun spun at a orbit that allowed life to form and adapt. Human life is known to have evolved long before evidence of aliens visiting us.

That these aliens gave us advanced technology, is very
believable, given the evidence, but these technologies have been lost over time and replaced with human technology. So have these alien visitors had an important link to our development? Probably not.

From the earliest known recorded human writings, man-kind has created nearly 3000 different 'Gods'. Reasons of explanations as to why we exist. That some of these Gods have been Aliens, is quite reasonable, as is that early civilisations benefited from the visits.

But that Aliens advanced or changed the planet earth in some way, I don't believe. And the planet Earth is the real and only reason we exist.

If you believe in science you can't believe in random evolution n natural selection. That's contrary to theory of probability that's beyond anything mathematics could ever comprehend. The DNA which is most complex self replicable genetic coding that put the most advanced computers n nano technology human have ever imagined(not even developed yet) to child's play could have developed by chance by the process of evolution is beyond any religious mythology ever imagined. In short it never happened, there is absolutely no proof it ever happened, there is no successful test could prove even the basics of theory of evolution that human n toads both evolved from a banana tree or something similar.

If you believe in chance then today you n I are typing on internet till today is the result of chance. That's not a chance.
There are literally millions or zillions of evidence in the universe in solar system n earth that suggest that there is a patten in the chaos.
It's really baffling how a scientific mind could deny every single evidence n believe in tooth-fairies. Actually believing in GOD probably a much more rational explanation.

Today human is developing technology which could produce self replicating near perfect intelligent machines(some kinda robots) that could start colonizing other planets in next 100 years. When that's feasible still not believing a terraformed earth n it's biological machines aka living creatures are not a possibility is something to be considered as technological masterclass of our creators.

I can't accept that Sandy. The concept of a caring creator who has made this Universe for us to live in and glorify it, is utterly impossible. That Aliens, in the past, have genetically uttered us, so to give us the intelligence to appreciate what this 'God' has done, and add in another large dose of glorification, I find is illogical and self-perpetuating in the extreme. To glorify something that is both ugly and unreasonable. A God who gave us mortality? A god who gave us parasites to kill our children? Gave us a planet that changes all the time, so not allowing us to understand it?

That science and probability are not on the same page will be rectified simply by the time allowed to understand the complexities.

Given the choice between a creator who made Aliens before it made us, making us inferior and leaving the whole plan to chaos, and that everything we see, hear and smell is here purely by chance, I'll take the second option EVERYTIME.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 March, 2018 12:59
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weedz
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SandyB
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weedz
I reckon that points A and B are both probably correct, but not totally correct.
Out of the chaos of our solar-system forming, the 3rd planet from the sun spun at a orbit that allowed life to form and adapt. Human life is known to have evolved long before evidence of aliens visiting us.

That these aliens gave us advanced technology, is very
believable, given the evidence, but these technologies have been lost over time and replaced with human technology. So have these alien visitors had an important link to our development? Probably not.

From the earliest known recorded human writings, man-kind has created nearly 3000 different 'Gods'. Reasons of explanations as to why we exist. That some of these Gods have been Aliens, is quite reasonable, as is that early civilisations benefited from the visits.

But that Aliens advanced or changed the planet earth in some way, I don't believe. And the planet Earth is the real and only reason we exist.

If you believe in science you can't believe in random evolution n natural selection. That's contrary to theory of probability that's beyond anything mathematics could ever comprehend. The DNA which is most complex self replicable genetic coding that put the most advanced computers n nano technology human have ever imagined(not even developed yet) to child's play could have developed by chance by the process of evolution is beyond any religious mythology ever imagined. In short it never happened, there is absolutely no proof it ever happened, there is no successful test could prove even the basics of theory of evolution that human n toads both evolved from a banana tree or something similar.

If you believe in chance then today you n I are typing on internet till today is the result of chance. That's not a chance.
There are literally millions or zillions of evidence in the universe in solar system n earth that suggest that there is a patten in the chaos.
It's really baffling how a scientific mind could deny every single evidence n believe in tooth-fairies. Actually believing in GOD probably a much more rational explanation.

Today human is developing technology which could produce self replicating near perfect intelligent machines(some kinda robots) that could start colonizing other planets in next 100 years. When that's feasible still not believing a terraformed earth n it's biological machines aka living creatures are not a possibility is something to be considered as technological masterclass of our creators.

I can't accept that Sandy. The concept of a caring creator who has made this Universe for us to live in and glorify it, is utterly impossible. That Aliens, in the past, have genetically uttered us, so to give us the intelligence to appreciate what this 'God' has done, and add in another large dose of glorification, I find is illogical and self-perpetuating in the extreme. To glorify something that is both ugly and unreasonable. A God who gave us mortality? A god who gave us parasites to kill our children? Gave us a planet that changes all the time, so not allowing us to understand it?

That science and probability are not on the same page will be rectified simply by the time allowed to understand the complexities.

Given the choice between a creator who made Aliens before it made us, making us inferior and leaving the whole plan to chaos, and that everything we see, hear and smell is here purely by chance, I'll take the second option EVERYTIME.
You are not getting the point, there is no GOD here the way we have been brainwashed to believe GOD is by some half cooked theory of evolution n fanatic denial of GOD.
Let’s come to a question straight if human creates intelligent, self learning and self replicating silicon based machines and leave them in mars then 10,000 years from now who’s their GOD?

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
10 March, 2018 00:44
Fanatic denial of God? It's fanatic denial of what doesn't exist and there is little about evolution to be termed half-cooked, apart from the fact that it goes against your own beliefs as to a Creator.

Humans have already created life, but as yet, only inferior unintelligent species, through cloning. But in the true sense, we have only duplicated that that was already there.

Making AI robots isn't creating life. It's giving machines intelligence. And hopefully enough intelligence to understand that humans are not Gods.

This is just the evolution of our species to advance ourselves using our greater intelligence.

The same as how Aliens used their greater intelligence to teach us higher technology, before the time was right for us to think of it ourselves.

That Aliens influenced our past, I have no problem with. But it was only giving us that, which we will eventually get on our own. It only sped up the process. And it couldn't have been that important because we've lost it all anyway and maybe this was done on purpose.



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Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
10 March, 2018 07:48
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weedz
Fanatic denial of God? It's fanatic denial of what doesn't exist and there is little about evolution to be termed half-cooked, apart from the fact that it goes against your own beliefs as to a Creator.
Humans have already created life, but as yet, only inferior unintelligent species, through cloning. But in the true sense, we have only duplicated that that was already there.

Making AI robots isn't creating life. It's giving machines intelligence. And hopefully enough intelligence to understand that humans are not Gods.

This is just the evolution of our species to advance ourselves using our greater intelligence.

The same as how Aliens used their greater intelligence to teach us higher technology, before the time was right for us to think of it ourselves.

That Aliens influenced our past, I have no problem with. But it was only giving us that, which we will eventually get on our own. It only sped up the process. And it couldn't have been that important because we've lost it all anyway and maybe this was done on purpose.

No dude, no disrespect but probably you are from a different generation brainwashed by Darwinism of bygone era, human have never ever created a single life n will never be able to do it..just like McDonald's will not be able to create the colonel's recipe due to simple fact they don't have it. Cloning isn't creating life, only life can be created from another life. Cloning is McDonald's getting a hook some colonel's ingredients n try to make a Nashville hot fried chicken. Basic building block of life is RNA->DNA->CHROMOSOME,taking a cell from a donkey n clone it to another donkey isn't creating life, not even close to creating life n trying to explain absolute inexplicable of few million n more complex to infinitely complex species by showing cloning as evidence isn't just insane but in today's world even Darwinists can't fool themselves anymore.
We have no problem with Darwinism or evolution n probably it was required at the time when human science had little or almost no knowledge about the complexity of life n there is no doubt it is a major building block of today's biotechnology n much better understanding of building block of life like DNA or micro evolution, genetic mutations n some genetic engineering like cloning but the bucks stop there. There is no rationality of chance theory of evolution n natural selection, it's far far more of a waste of time n fairytale than bible or any religious books could ever be.
Now talking about AI robots, when we talk about robots a wobbling steel body machine comes to our mind, well correct that far we have moved today so you know how primitive our technology still is but still give the credit where it's due at least our robotics engineers have created some basic functioning artificially intelligent robots. Now the question is if you leave them in mars today are they anything close to monkeys or apes or cavemen who were our forefathers used to be millions of years ago or our forefathers were superior than those AI robots today you think? If your answer is no they can't survive on their own means they are still full of flaw absolutely primitive silicon machine but whoever terraported our forefathers as well as the biological species millions of years ago were far more technologically advanced, that sounds like GOD. They perfected their creation over time with technology, genetic engineering n when we just started walking on our own have left us MOSTLY on our own. I posted an article written by Bill Joys 'Why future doesn't need us on this thread read that how exactly the human race is getting ready to play the GOD!

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 00:44
Sandy, please show the minimum of respect by actually reading what I've written

'But in the true sense, we have only duplicated that that was already there. '

If you had read this, you'd wouldn't have to give me your concepts on the fast-food industry.

70% to 80% of humanity believes in a God Creator. This belief has solely come from religious organisations. Churches and religious texts. That's what you call fanaticism. Believing in something that cannot exist. That's brainwashing on a monumental scale.

I'm not dissing you mate, but if you don't know the difference between creating life and giving a mechine intelligence, we shouldn't continue the debate.

Have a lovely day, my friend.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 04:12
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I'm not dissing you mate, but if you don't know the difference between creating life and giving a mechine intelligence, we shouldn't continue the debate.
Ok, let’s play your game, no rant against the GOD plz, tell me the difference between creating(and I repeat you are getting used to the word creating) life and giving a machine intelligence? What do you think could be the difference? Most of the people believe in evolution n atheism happily refer human being as animal and blame religions for supremacy n fanatism I believe you do the same then what’s your ego about considering every living creature as biological machine n human as intelligent biological machine? Today’s knowledge about DNA suggests it encodes very complex binary encoding with almost no randomness other than rare mutation. So where do you see the difference?
In this thread, I refer to another great physicist Ray Kurzweil n his book 'The Age of Spiritual Machines'. Have a read of the book coz that’s the future of humanity n probably that was the purpose of humanity on earth since day 1... ‘Spiritual machine’. The answer is without the spirituality there is no difference n thousands of years from now when human will perfect their creation of machine what you call ‘artificial machine’ today there is every reason to believe they will have greater spirituality encoded in their silicon chips aka human equivalent of DNA. The reason is simple without spirituality a creator will have all possibility to loss the control over own creation n turn into monsters.
Lastly, as you said still 70 to 80% people believe in god or religion, there is no surprise in it, the reason is we are made that way, just like a computer AI programmer will say the same about his AI machines, we programmed them to have faith in their creators.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 08:03
You've already answered that question yourself, Sandy. Organic DNA.

All known life forms on this planet have this. It's the base unit.

The second part of your question is even simpler. Life wants to live.

I guess you'll be asking yourself, What's He on?.

The amazing thing about organic DNA is that within the helex, there's a built-in desire to live and I really don't need science and a bunch of numbers to understand this, when I am walking past a large brick wall and see plants growing out of the mortar.

From the little I have read on subject of AI robots, implanting this base desire to a level approaching organic DNA, is a major stumbling block. And it would be wouldn't it? DNA has been developing on this planet for 1000s of years. But I'm sure humanity work it out eventually. It's only chemicals and electrical pulses. Can't be that hard.

As to what your thoughts about humans being referred to as animals by us Darwinists, we are animals. But don't worry. It's only a word that's hard to swallow, but that's a fact.

I have doughts that Mr Kurzwells mechine will get off the ground, because no ones worked out what to do about over population of our planet and in a 1000yrs time humanity will have exhausted this beautiful place. It's the one part about mortality that I'm pleased about. We're not going to be here to witness what will be.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 18:22
That’s the problem of ‘imagination’ mate, even if Darwin introduced a fairytale of imagination of evolution by natural selection when human has never managed to evolve a cat from a rat under laboratory conditions even if absorbing billions of $ of fundings over a century they managed to implant a belief that organic life = Life. Everything else inorganic is non-cognitive, unimmotional, unconscious ‘machine’ or object.

Although nothing can be proven beyond doubt but read this what actually could be the meaning of Machine civilization aka intelligent robots. Again the point goes back to the fact we are created that way to only consider ‘our kind’ the carbon based biological entity as LIFE, if it’s silicon based tungsten based no they can’t be ‘life’. That’s the cognitive limitation of organic life form so far albeit extremely complex n minutely encoded we are limited to 3 dimensions fast replicating slow learning machines. The problem of over population n self destruction you mentioned comes from our creation limitations but we have ONLY one way to overcome that is by supplementing Ray Kruzweil’s spiritual machines.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
weedz (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 19:57
'It's not life as we know it, Jim.'

 
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SandyB (IP Logged)
11 March, 2018 20:40
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weedz
'It's not life as we know it, Jim.'
Now don’t you think you more sound like one of those religious fanatics you despise who doesn’t like the idea that human’s are animals, you like the idea humans are animals but don’t like the idea that we are some kinda machines.
Although this isn’t your fault, we are made that way, slow learning skeptic spiritual machine.

 
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weedz (IP Logged)
13 March, 2018 04:53
Sorry Sandy, it was a joke mate. It's a line from an old TV series called Star Trek.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
13 March, 2018 13:56
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weedz
Sorry Sandy, it was a joke mate. It's a line from an old TV series called Star Trek.
lol, I know it was a tongue in cheek, mate..so was mine.
The point is in today's world there are many people who understands the vastness of universe have all the reasons to believe we most certainly aren't alone. But then comes the reality of if we aren't alone where are all others? Fermi's paradox..if we can't accept evolution based on mathematical probability where is the proof of Drake equation? There should be literally thousands if not millions of 'living' civilization even in our milky way galaxy. But where are they?
That brings to the point of thousands of conspiracy theories like denial of UFOs by world governments, denial of every single religious texts, teachings, pyramids to megalithic structures n well documented proof of ancient civilizations their acceptance of higher beings and debunk them as mythology n wild imaginations to serious questions. Are they trying to hide something??

But to think rationally, the universe is really really vast n vast beyond every imagination.
The closest stars from earth other than sun is more than 4.3 light years!! Which means it will take even the light to travel from the closest star 4.3 years! Whatever we see today the light from our closest star is 4.3 years old. As we know by known law of physics, Einstein's Special relativity that nothing can travel faster than light n realistically traveling even 10% of light speed might need a civilization 1000s of years advanced than us. So unless some advanced aliens have their base somewhere close to earth it's not really an easy proposition to travel too n fro like star trek from even closest stars to our solar system. That probably makes us alone in our sphere of reign. Proxima b



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Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
SandyB (IP Logged)
14 March, 2018 13:44
RIP Stephen Hawking, one of the genius space scientist, theoretical physicist and alien enthusiast from last century.

 
Re: Poll: Believe in ET?
younghansolo (IP Logged)
14 March, 2018 14:49
They're here.

 
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Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
14 March, 2018 23:27
Wengers a Klingon.



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