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Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
05 February, 2017 19:22
Gets away with fine inspite of menancing child



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
celine dion (IP Logged)
05 February, 2017 19:27
Why mention the public school mate?

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
05 February, 2017 22:41
Well itwas the title of the article, he told the woman she should be in common class, so his status is important here as he is using it to intimidate.
I suppose the point is he has a benefit of a good education and yet behaves likes that.i think the fact he is a solicitor is also important, he can hardly plead ignorance so why such a light sentence?
I have no prejudice against public School boys or girls, indeed some of my best friends went to public school.
So it would be nice to discuss the bigger crime a well qualified man bullying a mother and small child



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2017 22:47 by Padre Pio.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Ares (IP Logged)
06 February, 2017 02:24
That man is not ok.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
06 February, 2017 16:07
Obviously anynone with two or more brain cells should condemn racism, but we are actually fining people for being offensive now? And then complaining that the sentence is too light?

I haven't watched the video, so if he was aggressive or made any kind of threat, then fair enough. But being racist shouldn't be a criminal punishment.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/02/2017 12:27 by Goofle.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Ares (IP Logged)
06 February, 2017 16:55
You can't let people get away with abuse.

The rest of the passengers were a disgrace as well.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
06 February, 2017 18:40
Watch the video Goofle, it wasnt someone expressing their view, it was racist abuse in front of a child, and really its ok to be offensive to someone you dont even know and have any dealings with?



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
08 February, 2017 12:33
I don't think it's okay, I'm saying there shouldn't be criminal punishment for being racist, so long as the person isn't being violent. I'll believe you that he was since I can't watch it on my phone.

And I hold that standard across the board. Just don't cross the line.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
08 February, 2017 14:31
What exactly do you mean it shouldnt be a criminal offence for being racist Goofle?
Would it be ok to use the N word at someone? Chase them down street yelling N**** at them, would that be ok?



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
08 February, 2017 22:41
Obviously it shouldn't be a criminal offence to be a racist or call somebody a racist slur. Chasing somebody down the street is what changes things.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 00:45
Fun stuff... before the US election they were saying Trump brought the racists back to main stream so nothing surprising when you see people are talking about things like racist slur isn't criminal offense etc. A word of caution here those who want to leave the middle path n join the alt right bandwagon just like the way alt right conspiracy theory started a while ago infact I was also a victim of it till such time I quickly understood what's at stake. Now we could see a covert hard left movement is building up that will endanger the existence of these alt right views soon. The bottom line both will fail bigway eventually but common people are going to pay the price probably for a decade or so.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 08:17
You know racism exists across the spectrum, not only in the domain right leaning whites. A large part of Trump's win was a fight back against the racism aimed at white people that has been perpetuated by the left for decades, in fact.

But the left always left, and they seem to have doubled down.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 12:07
So you enjoy a bit of racism do you Goofle, a bit of racial slurring is ok by you



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 14:56
Of course. Let people say what they want. I'd be horrified if I ever heard somebody use the term "n*gger" as a direct insult to a black person, but they shouldn't be fined or put in prison for it.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
SandyB (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 17:54
Quote:
Goofle
Of course. Let people say what they want. I'd be horrified if I ever heard somebody use the term "n*gger" as a direct insult to a black person, but they shouldn't be fined or put in prison for it.

What about if someone used racist slur like that n then his ass gets kicked..fair enough??

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 17:58
So you do think people should be allowed to use offensive insults against another, especially when they are racist insults. Where would you draw the line on this? Especially as the kind of person using such vile language is looking to intimidate and possibly lead on to violence.
The person being racially abused will feel humililated and threatened but this doesnt seem to bother you. It can lead to depression and an inability to leave home.
The guy racially abused by Chelsea fans was unable to work for several days, and felt unable to use public transport for months. But your main concern would be that the fans concerned were not punished.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
celine dion (IP Logged)
09 February, 2017 20:32
Hmm, interesting one this. Im not alt.right like our friend Tom and Im not a socialist either. I believe in the modern political system being dismantled as it is defunct, also national boundaries, and global wealth being redistributed forcibly.

But anyway, on todays terms, Im not sure I buy the 'its OK to label him public school' excuse here. Its labelling, pure and simple, and just the kind of labelling that liberal minded right thinking persons absolutely cannot allow in almost all other cases.

its always struck me that in England you aren't allowed to even mildly refer to groups of people in blanket terms unless they're white and posh. then its open season.

I dont think this case is particularly interesting. There are are*holes of every social and racial category almost everywhere you look, there were before, except nowadays everyone films these kind of incidents on little phones. There aren't any interesting conclusions we can draw about people from public schools here, as it is only one person who has transgressed, and as PP points out, there are some very nice people from public school.

So if we apply the same courtesies we apply to other social and indeed racial groups then the title should simply read 'mans vile racism on train'.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
10 February, 2017 00:50
Yes I dont think the most important thing is whether he was public school or not, but he was quite happy to label a woman as common telling her she was too common to be in first class, this was followed up by racist abuse.
Now surely the person suffering labelling is the woman and child, the fact he was public school isnt known until after the incident.
Its unfortunate that in this thread it now seems that the issue is now the right to be racist, or the right not to be labelled public school.
Apart from Ares, and myself, there is little or no rights to be protected for this hapless woman and child.
So has she no rights to be protected here? She took the video to protect herself, and take the barsteward to court, so there is no need to demean the collecting of evidence.
You dont have to a socialist to oppose Racism, you dont even have to be left wing. Plenty of people manage not to discriminate or abuse other people on the grounds of race without being a card carrying members of any organisation.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Shane (IP Logged)
10 February, 2017 03:15
Quote:
Padre Pio
What exactly do you mean it shouldnt be a criminal offence for being racist Goofle?
Would it be ok to use the N word at someone? Chase them down street yelling N**** at them, would that be ok?

It would if it was Adebayor.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2017 03:16 by Shane.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
11 February, 2017 10:07
Crimes shouldn't be enforced based on the hurt feelings of the self proclaimed victim. But we already have laws like that here so maybe I'm fighting a lost battle.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Padre Pio (IP Logged)
11 February, 2017 23:02
You are prepared to defend a racist Goofle, youre main concern is that no harm should befall a racist. You believe that a man should be allowed to swig a bottle in front of a toddler's face and swear at him. He is entitled to order the mother and child out of a carriage they are legally entitled to be in. No action should be taken that would effectively deter that cruel and callous act.

You have no sympathy for the child or the mother, no sympathy for the victim of racist abuse. Meanwhile the child and his mother should not profess they are humiliated.
You are effectively an apologist for racists, that is where your sympathy lies with the racists.



- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/02/2017 00:48 by Padre Pio.

 
Re: Ex pub school boy vile racism on train
Goofle (IP Logged)
12 February, 2017 17:21
Come back when you are prepared to have a grown up conversation that goes deeper than the base level.


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