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which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 21 February, 2012 17:41

did people name the colour after the fruit or the fruit after the colour. Anyone know the answer?

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 21 February, 2012 17:55

Well I would have hesitated to guess that the colour came first. Its only called orange (synonymous with the colour) with very few languages.
After a rather brief research into the subject It seemed to only come to europe in 11th century as it is not a naturally occurring tree and fruit (its a hybrid).
So unless this was the first time that englishmen were exposed to the colour then id would say naming the colour came first.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 21 February, 2012 20:52

The fruit came first. Not all oranges are orange in colour.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Mad Jens (IP Logged)
Date: 21 February, 2012 21:11

Quote:
The word orange is derived from Sanskrit नारङ्ग nāraṅgaḥ "orange tree."[67] The Sanskrit word is in turn borrowed from the Dravidian root for 'fragrant'. In Tamil, a bitter orange is known as நரண்டம் 'Narandam', a sweet orange is called நகருகம் 'nagarugam' and நாரி 'naari' means fragrance.[68] In Telugu the orange is called నరిఙ‌ 'naringa'. The Sanskrit word was borrowed into European languages through Persian نارنگ nārang, Armenian նարինջ nārinj, Arabic نارنج nāranj, (Spanish-language naranja and Portuguese laranja), Late Latin arangia, Italian arancia or arancio, and Old French orenge, in chronological order. The first appearance in English dates from the 14th century. The forms starting with n- are older, and this initial n- may have been mistaken as part of the indefinite article, in languages with articles ending with an -n sound (e.g., in French une norenge may have been taken as une orenge), a process called juncture loss. The name of the colour is derived from the fruit, first appearing in this sense in 1542.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 10:46

Wow well done Jens...

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:36

Yeh google is an amazing facility.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Mad Jens (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 14:22

I aim to please, Hippo.

My wiki skillz are not to be trifled with.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 14:59

Quote:
hippogunner
Yeh google is an amazing facility.

But it's the amount of effort that Jens put in to disguise he'd lifted staight from Wiki thats astounding.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 15:05

I dont think he has disguised it at all. His entire post was put in quotations.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 15:07

I was joking. A poor one., but a joke, I'll get me coat.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 15:21

My apologies... Im bored and waiting for my car to get fixed so not reading the context well tongue sticking out smiley

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Mad Jens (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 15:46

Quote:
jon_sammels_lovechild
Quote:
hippogunner
Yeh google is an amazing facility.

But it's the amount of effort that Jens put in to disguise he'd lifted staight from Wiki thats astounding.
A true master of deception, haha.

 
Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 19:08

What came first `The colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'?

Or, indeed, the Dutch? (Sm151)



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Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Gööfle11 (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 19:16

Pretty sure the language was conceived a while after fruits started growing.



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Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 23:46

Oranges originated in china, but did they come about before Lemon's



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Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 19:14

So therefore we should describe the Chinese as being Orange skinned rather than Yellow skinned?



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Re: which came first the colour orange or the fruit 'the orange'
Posted by: weedz (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2012 20:20

Quote:
Mad Jens
Quote:
The word orange is derived from Sanskrit नारङ्ग nāraṅgaḥ "orange tree."[67] The Sanskrit word is in turn borrowed from the Dravidian root for 'fragrant'. In Tamil, a bitter orange is known as நரண்டம் 'Narandam', a sweet orange is called நகருகம் 'nagarugam' and நாரி 'naari' means fragrance.[68] In Telugu the orange is called నరిఙ‌ 'naringa'. The Sanskrit word was borrowed into European languages through Persian نارنگ nārang, Armenian նարինջ nārinj, Arabic نارنج nāranj, (Spanish-language naranja and Portuguese laranja), Late Latin arangia, Italian arancia or arancio, and Old French orenge, in chronological order. The first appearance in English dates from the 14th century. The forms starting with n- are older, and this initial n- may have been mistaken as part of the indefinite article, in languages with articles ending with an -n sound (e.g., in French une norenge may have been taken as une orenge), a process called juncture loss. The name of the colour is derived from the fruit, first appearing in this sense in 1542.

I remember it well.



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