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can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:23

why was Harrison Schmitt the last man on the moon in 1972 and howcome no one has been since

im begining to think that a) we have never actually been to the moon or cool smiley that aliens really exist and have warned us never to return or else

its one or the other



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: PiP the Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:24

Man on the moon????....it's made of cheese you fool.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:28

it would have gone off by now and discoloured so my mum wasnt telling the truth about that(Sm102)



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:28

We (as in mankind) went there, observed that it is indeed a dead lump of rock and doesn't really warrant any further investigation seeing as it's humungously expensive to send a mission there. There's no point going back.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: PiP the Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:31

Correct Eb. NASA & ESA have lost a lot of funding in recent years, & places like Mars are more interesting for them to spend their money on.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:31

Quote:
Jack_is_the_truth
why was Harrison Schmitt the last man on the moon in 1972 and howcome no one has been since
im begining to think that a) we have never actually been to the moon or cool smiley that aliens really exist and have warned us never to return or else

its one or the other

He wasn't

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:32

thats the strap line

but im not buying that either because we havent even discovered what resorces are beneath terra ferma let alone what we could find beneath the moon

plus there have only been 9 missions to the moon and only 4 landings, so how could they possibly know whether or not it is worth exploring with technology that was very basic in 1972



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:33

Quote:
jon_sammels_lovechild
Quote:
Jack_is_the_truth
why was Harrison Schmitt the last man on the moon in 1972 and howcome no one has been since
im begining to think that a) we have never actually been to the moon or cool smiley that aliens really exist and have warned us never to return or else

its one or the other

He wasn't

really who was then



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:40

I don't work for free Grapefruit

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:40

There was no color television in 1969, yet some c*nt built a spaceship and sent people to another planet?

Yes ok.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: PiP the Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:43

The 'moon landings' were shot in a studio, weren't they??

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Boston Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:43

Ask Klingon Fiveheads. He will know.



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:48

Quote:
Shane1988
There was no color television in 1969, yet some c*nt built a spaceship and sent people to another planet?
Yes ok.

No. Humans have never been to another planet.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: SaltnPeppah (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:48

I thought Wallace and Gromit were the last to walk on the moon.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: PiP the Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:52

I thought it was a brewery or dairy or something, cos their always saying there's loads of crates on the moon.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2012 23:58

Nasa (who btw do not exist, it's a building where tin-foil hats are made) could say there's dogshit on the moon and people will believe it, cuz people are dumb.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:20

Quote:
jon_sammels_lovechild
I don't work for free Grapefruit

if this is one of those he was the last one on but not the last one off arguments then jog on mate

seriously though Eb since you seem to be the only one taking this seriously, how can funds be the reason that a whole celestial body remains untapped or unexplored



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:23

The main incentive to go to the moon was compeition with the russians, the USA feared they would get there first and claim it. This had strategic implications for star wars, whoever controlle the moon could control earth with Moon base missiles.
However the USSR couldnt afford star wars, or to colonise the moon. In reality their economy was one third of USA, and even USA was struggling to keep up with expense of moon landing.

Also USA trying to save money had to cut corners which led toi the death of several astronauts, space travel became unpopular.

To save money they switched to Shuttles and unmanned space flights.
Shuttles were not suited for Moon Flights and proved not to be as cheap as they had hoped.

The moon is not a planet, its a lifeless asteroid, the ability to travel into deeper space was more exciting, but the long journey times would not suit humans, hence the switch to robots.
Meanwhile space stations became more efficient and had a better payload. Ironically the USA turned to the Russians to help keep space stations active.

One last irony is that China now has a moon landing programme. I suspet it would break their economy, unless they give up after a landing or two. It could of course get the yanks back in the race. Meanwhile I amoving this to off topic as no football played on moon



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:33

spoil sport and a nerd. nice



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Mad Jens (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:35

(Sm22)

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:35

Whats nice Jack? I have answered your question in full. The thread is where it should be.



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 00:40

i appreciate the answer nerd, im just not buying the lack of funds as reason for there being no futher explorations of the moon



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 02:35

Quote:
Jack_is_the_truth
im just not buying the lack of funds as reason for there being no futher explorations of the moon

The cost for the Apollo series of missions ran into the billions of dollars even 40 years ago. In today's money it would be hundreds of billions.
What is the point of further exploring the moon? There aren't any natural resources like oil and gas and even if there were we would have no way of bringing them back to Earth. It's not like you could just build a pipeline to the moon.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 02:56

I thought that for the life of me people were aware that man has never stepped foot on the moon...strange that in 2012 people still believe this

truly odd



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 03:35

If there's no atmosphere on the moon, how does the American flag move then?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 09:48

You dont buy the money thing Jack? Why have they shut down the shuttle and are hitching lifts of Russians to spoace stations grapefruit?

On the flag:

The flag was attached to a Г-shaped rod so that it did not hang down. The flag only seemed to flutter when the astronauts were moving it into position. Without air drag, these movements caused the free corner of the flag to swing like a pendulum for some time. The flag was rippled because it had been folded during storage—the ripples could be mistaken for movement in a still photograph. Videotapes show that when the astronauts let go of the flagpole it vibrates briefly but then remains motionless.[80]
This theory was shown to be untrue on the MythBusters episode "NASA Moon Landing".



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 10:01

If anyone's interested there is a documentary entitled The Untold Story of the Last Men on the Moon. It's on QUEST at 21.00hrs tonight.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 11:02

i saw that episode of myth busters nerd, just because they vacumed the air out of the room doesnt mean that they accounted for the zero gravity atmosphere.

to answer your question they shut down the shuttle because the got tired of shooting it into space and pretending that they reached the moon, obviously



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 12:06

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 12:44

Why do you keep calling me Nerd?
You asked for an intelligent answer I gave it to you. take it or leave it I dont care, but stop calling me nerd.



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Nothing will change except the ticket prices

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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 15:19

Why are you calling me grapefruit

anyway ive just watched transformers dark of the moopn and they revealed that the decepticons made the americans do some creative accounting so that it will appear too expencsive, so that we wouldnt discover their portal


i much more inclined to accept that explaination(Sm3)



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 16:42

you called me a Nerd without provocation, so I gave you a grapefruit back



Arsenal is a top 16 European club that will remain a top 16 European club and the Emirates is tape-loop that will show the same drab movie for a decade.

Nothing will change except the ticket prices

Kroenke & Wenger are made for each other.

Arsenal’s not a football club. It’s just a business. Myles Palmer

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: jon_sammels_lovechild (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 17:12

Quote:
Jack_is_the_truth
Why are you calling me grapefruit
anyway ive just watched transformers dark of the moopn and they revealed that the decepticons made the americans do some creative accounting so that it will appear too expencsive, so that we wouldnt discover their portal


i much more inclined to accept that explaination(Sm3)

You talk out of your rear portal Grapefruit.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 19:00

Quote:
Rockstaar
I thought that for the life of me people were aware that man has never stepped foot on the moon...strange that in 2012 people still believe this
truly odd

Are you serious?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 19:35

Quote:
Are you serious?

Absolutely...I can't figure out why people believe this nonsense



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 19:36

primary historic evidence Rockstaar. Simple stuff, as you would say.

Stop trying to be controversial.

Man landed on the moon. FACT.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Shane (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 20:08

At risk of people thinking I was being controversial for the sake of it last night, I wasn't.

I was joking and I was abit p*ssed.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 20:26

Quote:
Stop trying to be controversial.

Actually its what I really believe and we've had this discussion before on this site

If you believe we landed on the moon in 1969 and then who am I to say otherwise



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 20:38

i'll be sore if you prove otherwise largely because i have a 3 foot framed print of Neil Armstrong hanging on my living room wall. Mainly because it looks good.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 20:41

Right, if you send me a pic of yourself I'll put you on bloody mars, matter of fact I'll put you on the Superearth that they've found looking through a telescope

that way you can be the first man in another galaxy



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 22:51

So If I put a photo of you on Everest Rocky up it wil prove no one ever climbed Everest



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 23:09

is it not true that even yet the technology is not available to stop the radiation killing any person who would be on board a spaceship in outerspace, wasn't it only lead we had for it back then, and the amount needed to stop radiation would have led to the humans suffering lead posioning



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 23:22

Quote:
So If I put a photo of you on Everest Rocky up it wil prove no one ever climbed Everest

No Padre, Everest is on earth and we had plenty of time and trial and error to figure out climbing a mountain

we're talking about a human being going to the moon in a spacesuit for the first time and everything went perfectly well..give me a break

do you know how many test runs you would have to do to be in the position Armstrong and co were in..planting flags and sh.t lol



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2012 23:40

Quote:
Rockstaar

Actually its what I really believe

I assumed you had to be just messing around because it's so ludicrous. I feel like I would probably just be wasting my time explaining why so instead I'll just ask this. Would you be prepared to book a session on an online public use telescope and use your own eyes to take a look at the landing sites?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 00:02

ebo has rocky said there was no spaceship landed on the moon, I think he only said no man had gone to the moon, objects can be left on the moom without man having been there



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 01:17

Quote:
eduardo
ebo has rocky said there was no spaceship landed on the moon, I think he only said no man had gone to the moon, objects can be left on the moom without man having been there

So landing a spacecraft on the moon is perfectly believable, but it's the bit whereby somebody would have to open a door and climb out that's the really crazy part?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 01:24

no its the radiation problem that is the problem, the space shuttle ever went into outerspace as it could not handle it, yet we are to believe 25 years earlier we had craft that could, did we just forget how they coped



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 01:45

Quote:
Rockstaar
Quote:
So If I put a photo of you on Everest Rocky up it wil prove no one ever climbed Everest

No Padre, Everest is on earth and we had plenty of time and trial and error to figure out climbing a mountain

we're talking about a human being going to the moon in a spacesuit for the first time and everything went perfectly well..give me a break

do you know how many test runs you would have to do to be in the position Armstrong and co were in..planting flags and sh.t lol

good point well made



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 10:40

There are some prize lunatics on this site.

Man went to the moon, get over it.

Next we'll have people saying there is a God. (It's not Wenger, De Times).

God help us.



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 10:51

Further to this man not going to the moon debate, does anyone seriously think that the people involved in this great conspiracy, the scientists, technicians, people manning the control centre, the astronauts themselves etc. all colluded and never in all the years since spoke about this great falsehood they perpetrated?

To what end would this be done?

Do yourselves and your intelligence some credit you doubters and face up to the facts.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 11:33

how can god help you if you dont believe in his existence



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 11:34

That was a joke.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 11:51

Quote:
eduardo
no its the radiation problem that is the problem, the space shuttle ever went into outerspace as it could not handle it, yet we are to believe 25 years earlier we had craft that could, did we just forget how they coped

So now all is revealed. Over the course of several years billions of dollars were spent and men's lives were lost while two countries pretended to be racing to do something that each knew was actually physically impossible.

They successfully managed to not get called out on their bulls.hit by the Europeans/Chinese/anybody else with a space program but apparently they have now met their match in eduardo. The cat is now out the bag and he can reveal that "it's the radiation problem that's the problem"

Radiation is a fairly general term eduardo. Could you be a bit more specific as to what sort of radiation astronauts would face on the moon that has made it impossible to travel there?
And one further question - are high density plastic radiation shields also a myth?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 14:55

Quote:
So now all is revealed. Over the course of several years billions of dollars were spent and men's lives were lost while two countries pretended to be racing to do something that each knew was actually physically impossible.

There are tons of people who don't believe this folly mate and as far as billions being spend and lives lost in concepts that defrauded the masses

religion has done the same for centuries, hell the monarchy is one big ridiculous concept...wall street lied to make billions and lose billions...the US spend billions and thousands dead on a lie about weapons of mass destruction

I could go on and on where people have lied to masses for greater reasons but there is google

I mean common sense would tell you that if you wanted to make a suit that could be submerged under deep water for an extended time, you would have to test quite a number of times in that environment and that along the way there would be ups and downs..and thats on EARTH! you wouldn't have a televised perfect run in 1969!! Having NEVER EVER stepped foot on there before

acting like oh look..everything is exactly as we said it would be, I know we can't do this in earth, without many ups and downs, but the moon isn't earth...first time everything is perfect

but if that studio looks like the moon to you, then its your right to believe it so...for me I thought it was very obvious



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 15:27

Quote:
Rockstaar
There are tons of people who don't believe this

There are tons of people who believe in God. Tons of people read the Sun and think it's all true. Tons of people voted for Hitler. People are f.ucking idiots which accounts for why there are so many AKBs still at large.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 17:11

Quote:
There are tons of people who believe in God. Tons of people read the Sun and think it's all true. Tons of people voted for Hitler. People are f.ucking idiots which accounts for why there are so many AKBs still at large.

totally agree

although I think you left out the people that believe in man on the moon in 1969 thumbs down



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 17:17

Your arguement works both ways Ebor.
I dont care to believe it one way or the other as i dont have the energy to expend caring about the subject. It hasnt and wont impact greatly on my life.

Unless you personally witnessed something with sound mind and clear vision, facts are all about interpretation. People will always choose to believe what they want and 99% of the time it has little to do with stone cold facts. Our lives are too short for us not to take a lot of things on faith, and quite frankly, what a boring life one would lead if they chose not to believe everything until they had indisputable evidence of such a thing (which in the scientific world is still as rare as hens teeth)

Yes and people still believe in God, and much to the frustration of atheists - there is no way to disprove in a supreme beings existence. I myself dont believe in religion but i refuse to join the ridiculously pompous and arrogant band wagon that a large portion of atheists do in putting down peoples belief because it does not conform to their own. The same goes for religious zealots.

Tonnes of people voting for Hitler wasnt as stupid and surprising as you think if you actually knew anything about the history of that time.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 19:02

Yes Rockstaar it was a huge joke.

Explain why an earth there'd be all that trouble to pretend to go to the moon?

And if so how has this great calumny has not been revealed considering the amount of people involved?.

Do you think there were no preparations? That men went to the moon on a whim? What do you think physicists and scientists do?

Do you believe in aeroplanes? I expect you've been on a few or do you go by boat to America? Do you think anyone knew what it would be like thousands of feet above the ground? And yet man built aeroplanes.

Just because it's out of the realms of your narrow imagination doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And Zainy, I always thought you were an intelligent person. Are you joining the lunatic fringe here? Or do you think it was all a big hoax done for some unfathomable purpose?

Facts are not about interpretation. Yes history is written in many ways but the fact that say, for example, Marie Antoinette was guillotined happened, you didn't have to be there to know it happened.

The Earth is round or is that a lie too, made up by false pictures from outer space I suppose. You walk on the ground and it appears flat but our planet is actually a globe. Wow. How can that be?

I suggest you educate yourself about space travel Mr.Rocksforbrains before you peddle this nonsense.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 19:16

Hippo - as I stated, I dont have a strong opinion on the matter as I dont care enough. All I was saying is that for almost any arguement a certain measure of faith has to be given to each stance because there are painfully few certainties in life.

To use an extreme example
Is it a fact that Usain Bolt ran the hundred metres in 9.58 seconds?
We saw it thus it is true right? But again you place faith in the fact that the equipment used to time the event was working 100% correctly, was calibrated correctly and its fundamental design was accurate.

With regards to the moon landing, both sides of the arguement are placing faith with which 'facts' they believe in.

There is no need to label someone who doesnt share you perception on something in a derogatory manner.
Rational people believe strange things to both you and I.
Its a rational thought to believe the sun is extinguished before nightfall and reignited in the morning, because you can see the sun disappear at dusk and rise in the morning. Now this contradicts what is now common knowledge but if the person doesnt have that knowledge or doesnt believe the source of that knoweldge his assumption is still extremely rational.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 19:28

Ok Zainy I'm quite partial to examining facts like your Usain Bolt example. Nothing wrong with that argument.

But I'm sorry, if you have recourse to knowledge, as in the moon landings which includes film, and hundreds of people involved in the proceedings and probably many other things to prove the truth, I find it plain stupidity to argue against it.

As I said before to what purpose was this great hoax made?
And also as there are many people involved how has the truth as Rockstaar perceives it never come to light?



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 19:54

If pushed my answer is this: Im not sure the US government ever had the intelligence to pull of a mass deception like the moon landing or a roswell conspiracy.
Stranger things have happened though.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories abound in the world at any given moment. Are they all false? Possibly but not probable.
I dont have enough evidence either way to sway me strongly to one side on the moon landing business, but as I said, if pushed I would probably go for it being the real deal.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: hippogunner (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 20:01

As far as I'm concerned I don't think there's any doubt about it being real.

Why bother lying?

And seriously if you want to keep such a vast hoax quiet you'd have to start murdering all the participants.

Similar to a rather good 70's film called The Parallax View although that wasn't about fake moon expeditions.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 20:42

So someone asks why did yanks stop going the moon and the reply is because they never went there in the first place



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Nothing will change except the ticket prices

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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 20:48

(Sm100)



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
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Date: 17 February, 2012 21:08


 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 21:18

Quote:
Do you believe in aeroplanes? I expect you've been on a few or do you go by boat to America? Do you think anyone knew what it would be like thousands of feet above the ground? And yet man built aeroplanes.

(I'll start by saying insults really don't bother me so its really useless in my case)

yeah I believe in aeroplanes..but you keep on using examples that are EARTH driven...we LIVE on earth therefore can test conditions relentlessly until we get it right

If I don't understand arctic weather I can go there and see whats the difference in temperature and how it affects things compared to the mild breeze one feels in say the caribbean...even the first trip there more than likely involved death or mishaps

you are convinced that the VERY FIRST TIME a manned spaceship went to a place NO HUMAN has ever been before..the spacesuits, the ship, the video feed everything was simply perfect...oh dear

and why would tons of people have to be involved in the cover up, you would only really need a few and the climate at that time was about which one of the Super powers were greater...plenty of reason to stage it

but for me its really simply common sense

I saw building 7 in NY go down without being touched by a plane or anything on Sept 11, yet millions believe it was a terrorist act whereas millions don't. Both saw it on the telly yet two different opinions

People say the Sun is a star even though we've never been to either...you take what information you want and believe what you want but it doesn't mean your opinion is correct



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:04

rocky you pumpkin what do you mean you dont believe in God



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:14

Quote:
Rockstaar
I mean common sense would tell you that if you wanted to make a suit that could be submerged under deep water for an extended time, you would have to test quite a number of times in that environment and that along the way there would be ups and downs..and thats on EARTH! you wouldn't have a televised perfect run in 1969!! Having NEVER EVER stepped foot on there before

In fairness to Rockstaar this makes sense. What they probably should have done is first send a man to space in low orbit then gradually build on that experience over the course of several years before eventually trying to put a man on the moon.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:15

No wait, that's exactly what they did f.ucking do.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:23

Quote:
Eboractos
No wait, that's exactly what they did f.ucking do.

no thats what they claimed they did ..dont be a muppet, nobody has been to the moon



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:32

well this is really simple

you believe they went to the moon and it was televised in 1969 from the moon, I believe it was a studio

nothing else really to add, but endless back and forth really

Quote:
rocky you pumpkin what do you mean you dont believe in God

well the the word believe implies doubt in itself doesn't it GJ



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:34

spinning smiley sticking its tongue out



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 17 February, 2012 22:48

no it doesnt

i believe that if i type a before s that it will read as as, so i do it and VOLA there is no doubt



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:04

er actually you 'know' that, not believe that

sorry GJ



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:10

maybe rocky he believes he knows(Sm159)



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:13

dont confuse the lad anymore



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:29

no ed is right

if you belive something will happen you act in faith and when you act in faith your have no doubt

you need to exercise faith to believe and as a result you discover the realism of the truth in which you believe



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:54

ok GJ..but faith and belief isn't the same as 'knowing'...its simply faith and belief

Once something is proven you no longer need faith or belief

hope this clears this issue up



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: eduardo (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 01:55

qué



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 02:00

wrong rocky

i know that God exists because of my faith

i hope that clears it up for you



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 02:20

Quote:
i know that God exists because of my faith

I would explain the word contradiction but I'm sure you know the meaning GJ but would rather disregard it when it applies to you

this is also a no win topic, you feel the need to believe in something that can't be proven and nothing I or anyone says will change that for you and really I don't want to

but on 'my' side, I understand that it can't really be proven or disproven I guess...I just choose to take the logical path



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: gunnersingh (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 02:50

Jack out of curiosity, what religion are you?

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Eboractos (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 09:19

Quote:
Jack_is_the_truth
when you act in faith your have no doubt

F.uck my old boots there are some special needs round here.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 10:19

You might know God exists Jack, but where is your evidence?
Your Faith is not scientific evidence as it is purely a subjective feeling



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Nothing will change except the ticket prices

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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 11:21

The concept of a God means there will never be proof unless we all die suddenly and move on up so to speak. So an arguement of where is the proof is countered with where is your proof he/she doesnt exist - which is quite valid.
There is no knowing either way. You either have faith in your intuition there is no higher being, or you have faith in your belief there is.

Its difficult to accept much of what was written in any scripture but then again this is not proof that a higher power doesnt exist.

Its a no win arguement for anyone.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 11:46

weve been down this road before.

God exists, as a philosophical certainty, for as long as mankind themselves cannot answer the mystery of creation and existence.

In the same way that if you find a cake sitting on the kitchen table, someone must have put it there.

The rest of it, bibles, religions, etc, is a separate matter.

people tend to tie the two concepts in together, which is where it all starts to unravel.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 13:20

Quote:
In the same way that if you find a cake sitting on the kitchen table, someone must have put it there.

Well not really, because one could then say who put God there and so on and so on

at some point something would ave to always have been there put there by no one...some will say God, but that argument could go on both sides of the coin

I totally agree that religion is a different discussion than the concept of God



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 13:27

well the most common philispophical explanation for god, is 'that bit which we cannot explain'.

so if you discovered the identity of gods creato, they would become god, not god. Its just basic empiricism. Common 18th century view. Works for me.

You will nowadays come across concepts which go more into the scientific - quantum physics and so on. But they're all too much for me basically.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 13:57

its not a contradiction rocky

the defination of faith in the bible is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen"

meaning God becomes personal and provable through faith hence and a result exercising faith in something you havent seen it will become as real to you as your hand.

for example if you have faith in what i am saying about jailbreaking your phone and setting the device free, and you actually do it based on your faith in my words you will know without a shadow of a doubt that your phone will become more usefull and important to you without stealing any paid apps

hence you will know i am right through your faith in me

if you choose not to have faith in God you cant experience him



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 13:59

well, Jesus used to teach that blessed were the humble Jack.

Im guessing you missed that page out.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:11

@celine

I'm just saying if you believe in a creator then it logically would have to go on for infinity...meaning the creator would have to have had a creator and so forth

@GJ

You cannot change the FACT that once I have proven something then I no longer need faith...in your example I can prove what you've said to be true and once I've done that I no longer need faith in what you said concerning that issue

with the God concept you cannot prove it, so you have to endlessly believe and have faith, you also have to put faith in a book that was 'inspired' by GOD, not written by him

like I said, if we weren't talking about God and another topic, you could clearly see the contradiction in your reasoning



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:30

Rockstaar - I think the concept of God and religion are easily mutually exclusive.
Organised religion as a concept to me simply doesnt make much sense and I personally dont put too much faith in the written word of man on God as so much of it seems fallible. But the concept of a higher being is not so easily explained away.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:31

so when you put your key in the ignition to start you car in the morning do you have faith that it will start or do you just know because it has been proven to start the car in the past



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:35

Quote:
celine dion
well, Jesus used to teach that blessed were the humble Jack.
Im guessing you missed that page out.

so i am an arrogant grapefruit now? right



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: celine dion (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:41

you dont come across as very humble Jack. I think you probably know that for yourself.

 
Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 14:45

Quote:
zainy
But the concept of a higher being is not so easily explained away.

I agree with this, I don't think its impossible for there to be a higher being

Quote:
so when you put your key in the ignition to start you car in the morning do you have faith that it will start or do you just know because it has been proven to start the car in the past

your reasoning is still flawed GJ

I know for a FACT that this key CAN start the car, (so its proven that keys start cars) but I also KNOW that it isn't the sole reason for a car to start (by other proven facts)

You can't use an example that is proven, no one would have to have faith that a car key can start a car



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 15:11

A relationship with God is a personal thing, and god as proven to be true in my life on countless occasions, so i know for a fact that God is real withougt a shadow of a doubt

you dont have to know exactly how a car works in order to start it and drive itg were it need to go, you do that because you have faith in what people have told you about what a car is supposed to do and based on that info you`have exercised faith and found it to be true

you dont have to wait to see a blind man recieve his sight before you exercise faith in God

i guess the bible explains it best when it says

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

@celine even though i am very good looking have a body like a thor and am married to a very beautiful wife, i still wouldnt class myself as arrogant in the slightest



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Rockstaar (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 15:30

Quote:
A relationship with God is a personal thing

exactly, just like a child has a invisible friend, you can't tell them their friend isn't there and isn't real to them, but we all know its not real

Quote:
you dont have to know exactly how a car works in order to start it and drive itg were it need to go, you do that because you have faith in what people have told you about what a car is supposed to do and based on that info you`have exercised faith and found it to be true

mate, you keep using examples that are proven facts..I think this is the 5th time Im posting the same thing, once you know it to be true you are no longer working on faith and belief

People suffering and dying from starvation pray to the same God that we do whilst throwing away tons and tons of food everyday...both have faith and belief, but two different outcomes

you can't PROVE there is a God, just like technically I can't PROVE there isn't one, so I really don't understand the length of this discussion...you are intelligent enough to KNOW that



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Jack_is_the_truth (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 16:49

God is proveable thats the point that you continue to overlook because you are not interested



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Re: can anybody intelligently answer
Posted by: Zainy (IP Logged)
Date: 18 February, 2012 16:56

Proveable how?

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