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Time for Video Review?
So_Cal_Claret (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 18:08
That's two questionable decisions against us in two weeks. I know things tend to even themselves out over a season, but I guarantee we won't get a "decision" against the likes of City, United, Arsenal etc. any time soon.

The technology exists, let's use it and make it an even playing field.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 18:18
I think the jury is still out on that one.

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Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 22:10
Watching MotD, looked like a definite pen to me, Pope's knee came down on the lads right foot.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 22:29
yep agree with that Jilts.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 22:30
Cant argue with that Jilts



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Re: Time for Video Review?
So_Cal_Claret (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 19:16
So we have changed the rules so that any contact in the penalty area = penalty? What happened last week against West Ham? why was that not a penalty? Just looking for consistency.

The Watford penalty against Arsenal last week was also a joke (IMO) - let's get some consistency here.

3-4ft today Shanghai. Some nice lefts - bit crowded though.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 10:17
You are correct Sol, this whole penalty issue is a joke, probably the only way to get some consistency is the video review, but even if we had it now I do believe it would still have been a Citeh penalty on Saturday.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 18:42
Oh dear, Sky Sports Ref Watch, ex-ref Dermot Gallagher says if there were 20 people in the room, 10 would say it was pen at Man C. and 10 would say it wasn't.
So much for video evidence.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
24 October, 2017 05:12
The video ref will add nothing positive to the game. It will however slow the game down and take the spontinaety out of it.

The ref will never be 100% correct and neither will a video ref. Just ask anyone who've watches RL.

I don't mind them using a video after the game at looking at diving. If they hang a few diving cheats that should solve that issue



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Re: Time for Video Review?
So_Cal_Claret (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 01:09
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It will however slow the game down and take the spontinaety out of it.

A video review will take less time than it takes a PL goalkeeper to take a goal kick when his team are winning away from home.

The West Brom and West Ham games were awful because of the time wasting. We do the same - as does every PL team.

We need the ref (or 4th or 5th official if we need another one) to stop the clock when the ball goes out of play and only start it again when the ball is back in play - and that's the time used to add minutes at the end of a half. Games will last approximately twice as long as they do today until the players figure out that time wasting is a waste of time. Literally killing the game.

I'll get off my soapbox now....

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
soapylily (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 01:22
Its a great soapbox to be on though. You would have to take a bed to the early games.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 08:26
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It will however slow the game down and take the spontinaety out of it.

A video review will take less time than it takes a PL goalkeeper to take a goal kick when his team are winning away from home.

The West Brom and West Ham games were awful because of the time wasting. We do the same - as does every PL team.

We need the ref (or 4th or 5th official if we need another one) to stop the clock when the ball goes out of play and only start it again when the ball is back in play - and that's the time used to add minutes at the end of a half. Games will last approximately twice as long as they do today until the players figure out that time wasting is a waste of time. Literally killing the game.

I'll get off my soapbox now....


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Re: Time for Video Review?
NJMcWilliam (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 13:54
Other sports manage a video review - most of those sports didn't embrace the video review wholeheartedly at the beginning, but recognized that the speed and outcome of the games is way beyond where it was when we gave these games to the world. Now, the video review is actually integral in cricket and rugby, and ADDS to the overall experience.
It won't be perfect - that penalty at the Etihad last week will be debated for ever! I don't think what can be argued is the players over reaction............and perhaps that's where video ref can help to remove the simulation/histrionics/Klinsman-inspired diving. Perhaps as well, the ref could have determined that the histrionics OFFSET the contact.....football is afterall a contact sport

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 18:35
He shoots, he scores, the crowd go wild, the ref asks for video ref, two minutes later no goal.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Alfie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 16:59
Yep,it's inevitable that is what will happen with all the money in the game nowadays..

Why fix something if it isn't broke

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
NJMcWilliam (IP Logged)
01 November, 2017 14:40
Fair comment, perhaps the debate/controversy aspect of NOT having instant replay is better for the game? Keeps the pundits employed, gives us a topic to discuss
I'd still like to see it used to stamp out simulation........and not retrospective to a game, but contemporanious. If a player is caught, by camera, trying to influence the officials by simulation, the ref gets a notification on his wrist-PDA (same as for the goal line technology) and can issue a yellow card, or a red card if the simulation takes place in the opponents penalty area....whadyathink?? The game doesn't get held up, same as when a foul occurs but advantage is played......the ref can sanction the player at the next break in play.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
06 November, 2017 11:56
While the ref in the stand is looking at different angle video reviews of a foul, a free kick is given, an opposing player is booked for not retreating ten yards, the diver scores a goal, the game restarts and the ref is then told the goal scorer should be red carded as it’s his second yellow, would the goal stand, would the opposition player booked for encroachment have his yellow rescinded?

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
NJMcWilliam (IP Logged)
06 November, 2017 15:03
Good question - and great scenario...........following your example, the next break in play would be the awarding of a yellow card to the player who did not retreat 10 yards. If there is overwhelming video evidence from ref-in-the-stands regarding the diver, the diver is sanctioned at this time, otherwise play continues. It normally takes about 20-30 seconds to get the offending player infront of the ref and for the ref to book him. Those 20-30 seconds could be employed by the ref-in-the-stands/video ref. In your scenario, we would know BEFORE he scores his goal.......and he would only score if he is not proven guilty in the video review.
Would the yellow card for the player not retreating 10 yards be rescinded? Not in my book, the ref on the field is the ultimate authority. Video refs are there to help, not to take over decision making (except on goal lines)
Technology is going to be contentious - the game is already frequently interrupted and delayed by injury, throw ins etc., so I don't want to see the game yet more broken up.
Watched Gooners v Citeh yesterday.............2 very contentious calls - Sterling's penalty and the 3rd goal..............I thought both were wrongly awarded on the basis of seeing the situations from a couple of angles. NBCSN pundits also thought the ref got those 2 decisions wrong. We will never have 100% accuracy, and we need the game to flow, but we also need to reduce the number of glaring mistakes and rid the game of simulation.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
07 November, 2017 10:08
Say it’s the encroaching players second yellow, the ref sends him off, only to find it wasn’t a foul at all, is the player allowed back on the park?
The only way for video reviews to work at the match is to stop play.
Seen reviews done on the telly, different angles can tell different stories, the video ref would have to View all angles in slow mo, which would take a few minutes.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
NJMcWilliam (IP Logged)
08 November, 2017 14:42
The NFL use of video replay is NOT what I would recommend for football (as we know it!) - American football is staccato, designed to fit the frequent interjection of commercial breaks. So how do we stop play, but at the same time keep the game flowing? Do we continue to live with the declining standards in referring? There needs to be some more experimental use of video technology - you are right Jilts, there are going to be scenarios that haven't been foreseen which will challenge this. I think folks want to see games flow, especially so now as the game (due to agronomy, coaching, skill levels and TV money) has changed from that what we grew up watching.
Video technology in the penalty area would have got us a result v Arsenal last season...and I know folks are going to point out bad calls that have GONE our way!!! Maybe we just like to have something to chew on and @#$%& about?!!!

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
08 November, 2017 18:45
There has been talks about clubs being given two challenges each half, a bit like tennis or cricket, not the ref asking for the review but the teams.
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like American football, while tv stops play for ads, the ref can review replays, heaven help us if we go down this roads, more power to telly, which I think will be the future, revenue, revenue, revenue.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
21 November, 2017 22:43
Niasse penalty incident being discussed on ‘The Debate’ on Sky, he’s been charged with “successful deception of a match official" ( cheating/diving ). Seemingly he could be banned for a couple of games, where as if the ref had thought he had dived at the time it would just have been a yellow, SO...if a ref is having a bad day and makes a bad call, players could technically be banned because of ‘poor refereeing’. Also holding court after the event and if upheld, it doesn’t compensate Palace for the goal scored from the penalty, the loss of two points, two points which could be crucial in the relegation battle, two lost points that could lose Palace £100 million of revenue and potentially more if relegated.
More questions needing answered me thinks.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
NJMcWilliam (IP Logged)
22 November, 2017 14:23
Lots of questions and probably more as VAR in a limited form gets used in 2018. Much as I am against the game being stopped, it would appear that these incidents need to be resolved during the game, to avoid the potential repercussions to which Jilts refers. Sunday's game a year ago v Gooners...........the French centre half, begins with a K, used his mit to score........that kind of goal incident can and should be dealt with by VAR within 30-45 seconds.The 'diving' stuff might take a little longer, but given the nature of the offense, CHEATING....it too need sot be resolved. Watched Stoke on Monday - Lee Grant was lucky not to be booked for time wasting.............the game already has enough breaks in it for VAR officials to be monitoring incidents.
We are watching a different game than the one one we grew up with watching in the 1950,'s, 60's and 70's. In some ways it is unfortunate, but in many ways the improvements in agronomy, amenities at the grounds and the fitness and technical abilities of the players give us a lot to cheer about. We can't go backwards - we are lucky to have the memories of the great Burnley teams, the magnificent matches and a Division One Championship.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
04 December, 2017 20:42
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Niasse penalty incident being discussed on ‘The Debate’ on Sky, he’s been charged with “successful deception of a match official" ( cheating/diving ). Seemingly he could be banned for a couple of games, where as if the ref had thought he had dived at the time it would just have been a yellow, SO...if a ref is having a bad day and makes a bad call, players could technically be banned because of ‘poor refereeing’. Also holding court after the event and if upheld, it doesn’t compensate Palace for the goal scored from the penalty, the loss of two points, two points which could be crucial in the relegation battle, two lost points that could lose Palace £100 million of revenue and potentially more if relegated.
More questions needing answered me thinks.


Not sure what to make of this.

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Went in with a ‘game plan’ so he could not be blamed??? Sounds like he was more interested in himself than the rules. Maybe we need roborefs to officiate.

As for Palace and £100 million, that’s what they are going to spend on doing Selhurst up if they get planning permission, that’s a lot of dough ‘for a championship team’, to splash out. Watching Birmingham v Wolves, big stadium, plenty of empty seats.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Alfie (IP Logged)
04 December, 2017 20:56
The Palace chairman is a complete nobhead .. Hope they go down

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 19:07
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Niasse penalty incident being discussed on ‘The Debate’ on Sky, he’s been charged with “successful deception of a match official" ( cheating/diving ). Seemingly he could be banned for a couple of games, where as if the ref had thought he had dived at the time it would just have been a yellow, SO...if a ref is having a bad day and makes a bad call, players could technically be banned because of ‘poor refereeing’. Also holding court after the event and if upheld, it doesn’t compensate Palace for the goal scored from the penalty, the loss of two points, two points which could be crucial in the relegation battle, two lost points that could lose Palace £100 million of revenue and potentially more if relegated.
More questions needing answered me thinks.


Not sure what to make of this.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Went in with a ‘game plan’ so he could not be blamed??? Sounds like he was more interested in himself than the rules. Maybe we need roborefs to officiate.

As for Palace and £100 million, that’s what they are going to spend on doing Selhurst up if they get planning permission, that’s a lot of dough ‘for a championship team’, to splash out. Watching Birmingham v Wolves, big stadium, plenty of empty seats.



More about Clattenburg.

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Surely he has brought the game into disrepute and shouldn’t be allowed anything to do with the game again (think he went to the Middle East). Perhaps he has a book coming out and is wanting publicity, whatever the reason he has come across as a right plonker.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Alfie (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 21:28
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Niasse penalty incident being discussed on ‘The Debate’ on Sky, he’s been charged with “successful deception of a match official" ( cheating/diving ). Seemingly he could be banned for a couple of games, where as if the ref had thought he had dived at the time it would just have been a yellow, SO...if a ref is having a bad day and makes a bad call, players could technically be banned because of ‘poor refereeing’. Also holding court after the event and if upheld, it doesn’t compensate Palace for the goal scored from the penalty, the loss of two points, two points which could be crucial in the relegation battle, two lost points that could lose Palace £100 million of revenue and potentially more if relegated.
More questions needing answered me thinks.


Not sure what to make of this.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Went in with a ‘game plan’ so he could not be blamed??? Sounds like he was more interested in himself than the rules. Maybe we need roborefs to officiate.

As for Palace and £100 million, that’s what they are going to spend on doing Selhurst up if they get planning permission, that’s a lot of dough ‘for a championship team’, to splash out. Watching Birmingham v Wolves, big stadium, plenty of empty seats.



More about Clattenburg.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Surely he has brought the game into disrepute and shouldn’t be allowed anything to do with the game again (think he went to the Middle East). Perhaps he has a book coming out and is wanting publicity, whatever the reason he has come across as a right plonker.

I agree,he shouldn't be allowed to ref a game again..

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
10 December, 2017 13:24
Clattenburg was misunderstood...

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anyhow, maybe he could explain the offside rule, looks like it’s not just women that don’t understand it.

Could have been a better score line for the Clarets if video ref was in operation, but as they say, things even themselves out over a season........perhaps.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
10 December, 2017 20:04
Jilts

The Video review system is used in the Australian A League. Every week there is some controversy. It hasn't improved anything at all. All it has done is slow the game down.



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Re: Time for Video Review?
ozchippie (IP Logged)
16 December, 2017 10:56
Just watched an A League game with VAR. Total joke, introducing this system
to the prem will make it even worse than it is now.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
16 December, 2017 11:55
The goal/no goal I mentioned a couple of posts up, the ref went and consulted the linesman, so there was a hold up in the game, so why not consult a video ref instead? Maybe because he might call it wrong too???
I don’t want to see games held up, but I think what will happen will be, clubs will have two appeals each half, if their concerns are upheld the will keep the appeal count, if it goes against them, then it’s deducted from them. A bit like what happens in tennis and cricket.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
ozchippie (IP Logged)
16 December, 2017 12:51
The game I watched 2 yellow cards were upgraded to red cards by VAR.
Neither team asked for Var. So basically the ref was over ruled. He
needed security to get of the pitch at the end.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
22 December, 2017 02:22
VAR..... No thanks



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Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
24 December, 2017 00:26
The video ref will have to come, you can’t have 60,000 fans in a ground with access to Sky Sports watching replays on their phones knowing the ref has made a total feck up. The game has to keep up with modern technology (sadly).

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
24 December, 2017 01:45
The FA should listen to those that have it already.

In tennis and cricket I think it has a place but not sports where there is human interactions.



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Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
25 December, 2017 13:31
60,000 fans in the crowd watching replays on their mobiles of a blatant handball the officials have missed and there will be plenty of human interaction.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
So_Cal_Claret (IP Logged)
25 December, 2017 14:32
I am beginning to doubt its' use. Back in my day, if All had have gone flying like he did, there would have been a bloody good reason for it - definite pen. How he can get the high off the ground with a mere touch - that's a dive - but these days a pen? I don't think I understand the rules anymore.

Maybe video would help bring consistency? I dunno, all seems a bit lost to me with some these decisions these days. Anyone getting into the box and throwing themselves to the ground = penalty. So glad that SD will not allow our lads to do that.

Merry Christmas everyone.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
28 December, 2017 17:24
We cannae afford it.

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Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 18:27
Brighton v Palace game next week will be the first competitive club match in England to use VAR. (Sm21) no (Sm20)

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Alfie (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 18:32
Could have done with it today ..

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
So_Cal_Claret (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 18:36
It's the inconsistency that gets to you. If VAR can help solve that - then let's use it.

You do get the feeling that if we had been playing one of the "top six" and it was our keeper doing that - penalty - and we couldn't really have argued (I love a good conspiracy theory).

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Shanghaiclaret (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 22:14
My whole point about VAR is that it won't improve the consistency. All we will be discussing in future is how useless the VAR is instead of how useless the ref is.



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Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
30 December, 2017 22:56
Man Utd on BT today, a shout for a penalty, not given, commentator asked the exref in the studio, no pen he says, but not all the pundits agreed. So while there is human judgement involved there is still going to be some controversy.
Through time we will probably get computer ref with an iPad which can calculate speed of ball, distance travelled, movement and angle of players limbs, do some complex calculations in a nanosecond and come up with a definite decision, no arguement and no chants of who’s the @#$%& with the Mac.smoking smiley

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
31 December, 2017 18:27
Two late controversial penalties given today, one against Man C, one against Arsenal.
Will be interesting next week to see what video ref will bring to the game, I’m sure neither of the pens today would have stood if video evidence was in use. Wenger not happy and I don’t blame him. WBA 1-1 Arsenal.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
06 January, 2018 23:39
This game on Monday, if VAR is to be used, then surely it should have been used in every game in the FA Cup, you can’t have different rules for one game and not the others.

Hopefully if var is used in European games then we can get rid of those officials behind the bylines, can’t recall any of them getting involved in the game.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 19:15
Well the day is here when VAR is to be used in a FA Cup match and BT sports kicks off siscussing the double kick penalty (or was it) yesterday.
The pundits say it was a double kick but ex- ref Poll says the replays aren’t conclusive enough to say one way or the other, so VAR or not to VAR there is still going to be controversy in the game, well until more technology comes along.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 20:42
Half time, well so far so good, only one shout for a penalty, ref said no, play went on and seemingly VAR had a look at it without stopping the game.
Commentator said VAR would also have had a look at the run up to the only goal so far as the players celebrated, again no hold up.

Didn’t know VAR is sited in Uxbridge, I thought it was someone up in the stands somewhere.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
17 January, 2018 22:16
I see VAR got things right last night with the disallowed goal for offside, but tonight(Sm102), Shearer blasting VAR man for failing to spot a pen.

 
Re: Time for Video Review?
Jilted (IP Logged)
22 January, 2018 17:26
Unlucky Mr Shearer, it looks like VAR will be used in the WC this year. I don’t suppose it will stop him criticising it, unless it does a Engerland a favour.

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Re: Time for Video Review?
Foreverclaret (IP Logged)
22 January, 2018 18:38
Having seen the pluses and the minuses now, I believe we should leave well alone, due to human error you cannot guarantee them being right so what is the point, as they have always let the ref decide after all that is what they are paid for. I am a bit old fashioned though. (Sm151)

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