IMO over rated, cant defend, hasnt got a final ball, lightweight, and couldn't score in a brothel dont see what all the fuss is about him really! would also love to see replacements for Lonergan, Connoly, Lees, Brown, all have made too many individual mistakes this season, time to freshen it up!

Sadly i think were going to lose snodgrass in the summer, but maybe if we could get a decent sum for him then it wouldnt be such a bad thing so we can re invest, thats if bates doesnt put it all in his pocket!

A bitharsh on the lad White
+ Lees , both are young n are bound to make mistakes , playing White on the rw hasn`t worked , i would like to see him back lb

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Get shut of the lot of em, I'd only keep snoddy, Ross, clayton, maybe lees and lonergan. The rest can go for me and I believe many will in the summer!

LW

I think White will be off in the summer. His compensation will help balance the books of hopefully Warnocks dream team.

Personally I think Clayton has looked well short of what we need.

Very harsh, White is 20 and Lees 21 and they are both playing their first full season in the Championship. It says more about the shortcomings of Grayson and his coaching staff that White and Lees aren't as tight defensively as they could be. They're still two of the best talents at the club and I would be disappointed id either were to leave.

Several of our players have been heaped with praise one day only to be berated the next. Not saying they haven't deserved it, but they can't be both that good and that bad at the same time. I think the youngsters like Lees and White are suffering from inconsistency that comes from inexperience. Getting rid after less than one full season with the first team is an over-reaction and a mistake.

Personally I do not agree with NW that Aidy White is a winger, let alone a right winger.

He may have seering pace but he does not have the guile/trickery to beat a player either side nor is his crossing renowned. His lack of goalscoring prowess is also a concern for that position.

Far better at LB where there are less creative demands.

Spot on Bri

Worries me that NW sees him doing any kind of job on the wing. I agree he lacks an abundance of any of the basic requirements. In fact, IMO, his only real asset is that he could probably catch a whippet.

I was going to do a list of all the players who were already household names or full internations by the time they were 20/21 (inc many from LUFC) - but then I couldn't be a-rsed. These are not kids at 21. They are young men - and whilst they may be in their first season in the Championship - I would never use age as a reason for their ineffectiveness at times.

I thought Clayton had a blistering start to the campaign - but has averaged out spectacularly in recent months (not weeks). As I have said elsewhere - I would not lose any sleep if they all went and we had a complete re-vampo - but it ain't gonna happen.

Just my opinion.

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I think NW is out of the Wilko mould and will assemble a tream of experienced players next season (Fairclough, Sterland, Chapman, kamara) with one or 2 exciting signings to give the fans and other players a lift. (Vinne/Strachan)

Add a spinkling of kids - Charlie Taylor, Tom Lees, Simon Lenighan (For Speed/Batty) and he could just emulate the great Sgt Wilko!

Here's hoping mate

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Aidy white is so bad Its Shocking,how the foook can warnock pick aidy white ova lloyd sam,or even Núñez,warnock with the grayson dross is making mistakes,saw white against forest,he was so bad that i was wondering how he got a football contract true story.!!!!!!

Get off the fecking fence Chappy !

Do ya like the kid or not?

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I think NW is out of the Wilko mould and will assemble a tream of experienced players next season (Fairclough, Sterland, Chapman, kamara) with one or 2 exciting signings to give the fans and other players a lift. (Vinne/Strachan)

Nah.... they're too old.

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The Swiss Party... Independent like. Tidy.

For me Clayton has burned himself out that imo points to a pre-season that hasn't worked out in terms of maintaining a high tempo/high intensity approach to games NW will sort that in the summer.
I'd be happy for the club to keep players like White and Lees and surround them with the right quality they'll need to become better players and learn their trade.
I will also say AW IF he stays needs to be LB or on the bench he's now way ready to be used as a Midfielder in any shape or form his ball retention/passing is severely lacking as his in game vision.

Aidy white is a headless chicken take away his pace and he aint a footballer!!

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I was going to do a list of all the players who were already household names or full internations by the time they were 20/21 (inc many from LUFC) - but then I couldn't be a-rsed. These are not kids at 21. They are young men - and whilst they may be in their first season in the Championship - I would never use age as a reason for their ineffectiveness at times.


Just my opinion.

I think that's less true for defenders, Howard. Yes there are some very talented defenders who come through and look comfortable but in general defenders take more time to become solid and dependable.

Look at sc-um's Phil Jones for example, yes he's a bit younger but he has all the talent and physical attributes that anyone could dream of, and yet he still seems to make some costly errors.

Personally I'm on the fence about Lees and White. I don't think either is particularly brilliant right now but they've both shown some promise.

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Fair enough Johnny. You may be right mate

I honestly feel that like most aspects of life, and certainly most sports, football throws up its giants and its gladiators at a much younger age than once it did.

Phil Jones does make errors as does Chris Smalling - and a few other established prem league defenders - like Kyle Walker and Gibbs at Arsenal.

Ferdinand, Woodgate, Terry et al - even Norman Hunter were established centre halves at 19/20/21 in much better teams than we are at the moment.

However, I do take your point. I was merely demonstrating a frustration I have with people apportioning the title "kids" to young men whose inadequacies I sometimes believe are much more to do with ability and our own false eulogies (I remember when Kilgallon was going to be the next Booby Moore) - rather than their lack of years/experience.

But of course, it is all about opinions - and - as indicated - I am sure you are probably right about Central defenders often taking a little longer to develop

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I think lees has a talent and as you say only experience will make him better and I believe he'll get there. As for white, he looked far better at LB but I don't rate him and if we can get some compo for him I say do it and bring in a proven LB and bring Robinson in at RB. Think Robinson will be good for us once we have a good defence in place

Agree about Lees and White not playing well, but have any our players performed to an acceptable level lately?

We must also remember this is their first season in the championship, last season White couldn't even last 90mins (cramp thing). Is he the finished article? Not by a long shot, is he a winger, nope. But if or when he leaves us,
i won't be surprised if he ends up at a premiership club.

Are Bromby, Bruce, O'Brien better than Lees?
O'Dea and Connolly are dreadful players, at least in my view.
Everyone is (was) raving about Robinson, yes he tackles hard, has a decent long ball and loads of experience, but again has little to no pace. Put him in at right back?

Clayton is a good player, but i don't know if he has the fitness levels to play every game.. Maybe his engine just isn't big enough. Being in midfield with someone like Brown (not very mobile) doesn't help him out either.

Someone said that Nunez had already had enough chances to play? Really? Simon gave him the odd 15 to 20 mins, played him in the League Cup (in which he scored a few) and then was dropped for the next league game (good for his confidence).

Some argue we should get rid of all our players, if that would happen, we can already write off next season.

the thing with Lees and White is they probably started the season has back up and was going to be bedded in with the odd game here and there,

it just the seasoned pro's like O'Brien, Bromby, Connolly etc. turned out to be so inconsistent that Grayson and now Warnock didnt really have much choice but to throw them in

i think both have potential but not there yet, Lees needed to play has the second centre back with a experience pro next to him, so he can learn from him and White needs to learn how to be a defender

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Agree about Lees and White not playing well, but have any our players performed to an acceptable level lately?
We must also remember this is their first season in the championship, last season White couldn't even last 90mins (cramp thing). Is he the finished article? Not by a long shot, is he a winger, nope. But if or when he leaves us,
i won't be surprised if he ends up at a premiership club.

Are Bromby, Bruce, O'Brien better than Lees?
O'Dea and Connolly are dreadful players, at least in my view.
Everyone is (was) raving about Robinson, yes he tackles hard, has a decent long ball and loads of experience, but again has little to no pace. Put him in at right back?

Clayton is a good player, but i don't know if he has the fitness levels to play every game.. Maybe his engine just isn't big enough. Being in midfield with someone like Brown (not very mobile) doesn't help him out either.

Someone said that Nunez had already had enough chances to play? Really? Simon gave him the odd 15 to 20 mins, played him in the League Cup (in which he scored a few) and then was dropped for the next league game (good for his confidence).

Some argue we should get rid of all our players, if that would happen, we can already write off next season.

Perhaps Belgiantoo - but you have just written off 9 of them without including Lees/White in the same contribution

And you are right to do so IMO. They are all m ostly pants.

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White possibly Played his last game for us?

Injured Aidy White set to miss rest of season
Aidan White looks unlikely to play again this season after injuring his leg in Saturday’s 2-0 defeat to Watford.

The Republic of Ireland international avoided serious damage in a first-half tackle by Watford’s Carl Dickinson, and X-rays allayed fears of a broken bone, but boss Neil Warnock does not expect to have him available for selection during any of Leeds’ remaining six Championship matches.

Warnock said: “It’s not too serious and there’s no break in it, that’s the good thing. But I’d be very surprised if he plays again this season. It’s a shame because he’s done well.”

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White possibly Played his last game for us?
Injured Aidy White set to miss rest of season
Aidan White looks unlikely to play again this season after injuring his leg in Saturday’s 2-0 defeat to Watford.

The Republic of Ireland international avoided serious damage in a first-half tackle by Watford’s Carl Dickinson, and X-rays allayed fears of a broken bone, but boss Neil Warnock does not expect to have him available for selection during any of Leeds’ remaining six Championship matches.

Warnock said: “It’s not too serious and there’s no break in it, that’s the good thing. But I’d be very surprised if he plays again this season. It’s a shame because he’s done well.”

That's a pity, sad to hear that. I fully expect AW to be given a new contract for next season though. We really need to start playing Charlie Taylor at left back. I'm far from convinced Robinson is the solution, and don't think he should be considered for a permanent signing.

Apparently Tom Kirwen tweeted that there is some sort of announcement on YR first thing tomorrow re aidy whites future and news on a summer transfer target. Dunno how true all this is.

Aidy White

Believe he will become a decent EPL level Left back by the time he hit the age of 24. That is four full season away from now. Remember not a brilliant player but a very solid and dependable EPL standard player. Currently the thought process (I think) s for White to play on the right fashioned as at forward playing defender closing off the opposition ability to start attacks from that side of the field.

Tom Lees

Looking at his individual play during games shows me he has the ability to become a very good central defender. Current problem lies in the fact that he and the 3 other CB in our squad other then Kisnosbo are what you would call finesse styled second CB. A good old fashion axe man is needed by his side.

Zac Thompson

Played solid in both Central Midfield and Right fullback in his short series of games. Has the ability to be a decent box to box midfield player or a all round right fullback.


All 3 of these player need to see every minute of the remainder of the season out (provided they are fit) as given suitable team around them they will become our better players. The seasons remaining games i would welcome seeing the following players in the team with the following formation.

Goalie
N.Turner, Lees, ........., Robinson
Clayton, Thompson,
Rogers, Nunez, Snodgrass
McCormack

Subs: Taylor, Gimple/Killock, L.Turner, Forrsell
White is out injuried so no place for him currently.

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Apparently Tom Kirwen tweeted that there is some sort of announcement on YR first thing tomorrow re aidy whites future and news on a summer transfer target. Dunno how true all this is.

apparently Warnock just said he will offer White a new contract this week - he also said we are close to signing one of hes MAIN summer transfer targets

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Sheppey,

He give any indication of what Position this "close to signing" player plays in?

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Sheppey,
He give any indication of what Position this "close to signing" player plays in?

no names, no positions, just we are close. its on again in 5mins sky channel - 0209

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Apparently Tom Kirwen tweeted that there is some sort of announcement on YR first thing tomorrow re aidy whites future and news on a summer transfer target. Dunno how true all this is.

apparently Warnock just said he will offer White a new contract this week - he also said we are close to signing one of hes MAIN summer transfer targets

offer him a new deal so we get compensation?!?!?

this is almost funny

Reports over the weekend claimed Norwich City, who have signed Bradley Johnson and Jonathan Howson from Leeds in the past 12 months, were among the sides monitoring his situation.

Due to his age, United would receive compensation were White to join another English club during the close season but Warnock said: “We’re finalising a contract offer to him. He should be getting that in the next seven days or so.

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Good to hear we're already close to agreeing a deal with a prime target. That's the way to go about it.
NW has said he wants his transfers done ASAP.

Willow, good point, agree there is a lot of dross at the club, but getting rid of what 20odd players would take some doing.
Would keep: Lonergan, Lees, White, Clayton, McCormack, Snoddy,
Becchio, Somma, Webber, Thompson, Pugh, Nunez and Rogers.

That isn't much to start with, one major problem being that a good part of those players are just squad players.
Another big problem is that we haven't got the spine or basic structure of a good team in place.
Must confess, at one point i thought we had.
Major revamp/rebuilding required, believe Neil can get it done (if Bates is willing to back him).

Apparently it's Paddy Kenny....from what i've heard on Twitter.

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There Is Always Hope.

He's a LB in my eyes an nothing else, He needs games to learn how to read the game better and needs to hit the gym, From what I've seen of Taylor though he's not as quick he'll probably end up being the better defender of he and White so strictly player for player if Aidy was to leave i wouldn't be that disappointed but I don't like what it says about the club when Young players leave.

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Dan.

I think its quite sad the abuse our own fans are heaping on white, Grayson made a balls of the lad, NW has seen the light and played him as a winger, hes been playin in that position for the rep of Ireland U21s for the last year and been getting great reviews.
I will admit that the jump from U21s to championship level is higher but give the lad a preseason and then judge him

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He's a LB in my eyes an nothing else, He needs games to learn how to read the game better and needs to hit the gym, From what I've seen of Taylor though he's not as quick he'll probably end up being the better defender of he and White so strictly player for player if Aidy was to leave i wouldn't be that disappointed but I don't like what it says about the club when Young players leave.

We should be playing both of them in the first team next year. I wouldn't be unhappy to see White, Lees, Taylor, Poleon and a Turner or two getting regular appearances.